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    From MSNBC...

    Americans spent some $52 billion on Black Friday weekend. In addition to sweaters and iPods, though, shoppers were scooping up something else in large numbers: guns.

    According to the FBI, which processes requests for background checks of prospective gun buyers, 129,166 such checks were performed on Black Friday, Nov. 25, breaking the previous single-day record -- set on Black Friday 2008 -- by nearly a third. The surge in gun sales was initially reported by USA Today.

    Analysts who focus on firearms say this increase is part of a years-long trend toward increasing gun ownership. In a recent Gallup poll, 47 percent of respondents said there was a gun in the household, up from 41 percent just one year ago.

    More people are buying guns these days, particularly handguns, said Cai von Rumohr, managing director at investment company Cowen & Co. For all of November, the number of background checks processed by the FBI rose by around 16 percent vs. year-ago levels.

    "These numbers have been relatively strong, and I think more of it has been the trend towards lower-priced, smaller weapons," von Rumohr said. For the most part, it's unlikely these weapons are being bought to wrap up and put under a Christmas tree; many states have laws that prohibit buying a gun for someone else.

    The number of first-time buyers and women buying guns has been on the rise for a few years, which may have contributed to the high numbers on Black Friday. Data from the National Sporting Goods Association show an increase in the number of female gun consumers, including a nine percentage point jump from last year to this year. Also, every state except for Illinois now lets residents carry concealed weapons.

    "Retailers tell us 25 percent of customers are first-time buyers," said Larry Keane, vice president and general counsel at the National Shooting Sports Foundation, a firearms industry trade association. Many gun dealers that enroll firearm novices in safety and training courses report that their classes are full or wait-listed, another indication of growth in the number of new gun owners, he said.

    Caroline Brewer, director of communications at the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, called the Black Friday surge a "one-time event." She said any increase in gun purchases "may be the result of marketing."

    If marketing is the cause, it appears to be successful.

    "Whereas five years ago it was politically incorrect (to own guns), ... what seems to be changing is social acceptance," said Bret Jordan, analyst at investment firm Avondale Partners. "I think there might be a changing view of firearms."

    Jordan said the industry saw a surge in gun purchases around the time of the last presidential election, apparently because hunters and other enthusiasts feared President Barack Obama would push for more gun-control laws or stronger restrictions.

    "When Obama was elected, I think people rushed out and stocked up on their tactical rifles," Jordan said, referring to military-style weapons that were potential targets of legislative restrictions.

    More recently, though, the focus has switched to handguns. In spite of the economic downturn, "The category of firearm that has continued to sell very well is something one would have if they were concerned about their personal safety," Jordan said.

    "The general trend is it's more socially acceptable to own a gun in the United States than it was five to six years ago," he said.
    Originally posted by Sean88gt
    You can take white off the list. White on anything is the best, including vehicles, women, and the Presidency.
    Originally posted by Baron Von Crowder
    You can not imagine how difficult it is to hold a half gallon of moo juice and polish the one-eyed gopher when your doin' seventy-five in an eighteen-wheeler.

  • #2
    So my question is: Is it the fact that people are becoming more accepting of firearms and ownership as the story states or is it more of a distrust or insecurity in people that are making more and more find the comfort of a firearm appealing?

    I guess it could go both ways but its nice to see the surge...maybe it will lead to some good sales.
    Originally posted by Sean88gt
    You can take white off the list. White on anything is the best, including vehicles, women, and the Presidency.
    Originally posted by Baron Von Crowder
    You can not imagine how difficult it is to hold a half gallon of moo juice and polish the one-eyed gopher when your doin' seventy-five in an eighteen-wheeler.

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    • #3
      I like the poll on the website that says "Are guns a good Christmas Gift?" and 80% of people said yes.

      It seems like the public inst as afraid of guns as the media and politicians would like to you to think.
      Originally posted by lincolnboy
      After watching Games of Thrones, makes me glad i was not born in those years.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by DOHCTR View Post
        I like the poll on the website that says "Are guns a good Christmas Gift?" and 80% of people said yes.

        It seems like the public inst as afraid of guns as the media and politicians would like to you to think.
        Gun control has slowly changed from the early/mid 90's into political poison. Politicians no longer voice anti-gun opinions, in fact they do everything they can to hide them. If you're anti-gun, you're not getting elected nowadays - democrat or republican. They are just finding more creative ways to take our rights away. In my opinion one of the big reasons is all of the pro-gun shows on discovery, tlc, etc.
        "When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic." -Benjamin Franklin
        "A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury." -Alexander Fraser Tytler

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        • #5
          I find it interesting though, if you look at the underlying cause (at least with me) it is distrust and insecurity within our own government. Almost like a legal non political revolt...on a VERY SMALL scale.

          Also, noted in the article is the fact that women as well are starting to accept ownership of firearms...normal house wifes. With all that has been going on around here at least I dont blame them.

          Sucks if you live in illinois though...
          Originally posted by Sean88gt
          You can take white off the list. White on anything is the best, including vehicles, women, and the Presidency.
          Originally posted by Baron Von Crowder
          You can not imagine how difficult it is to hold a half gallon of moo juice and polish the one-eyed gopher when your doin' seventy-five in an eighteen-wheeler.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Gtracer View Post
            ...
            According to the FBI, which processes requests for background checks of prospective gun buyers, 129,166 such checks were performed on Black Friday, Nov. 25, breaking the previous single-day record -- set on Black Friday 2008 -- by nearly a third. The surge in gun sales was initially reported by USA Today.
            ...
            Caroline Brewer, director of communications at the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, called the Black Friday surge a "one-time event." She said any increase in gun purchases "may be the result of marketing."

            If marketing is the cause, it appears to be successful.
            ...
            More recently, though, the focus has switched to handguns. In spite of the economic downturn, "The category of firearm that has continued to sell very well is something one would have if they were concerned about their personal safety," Jordan said.

            "The general trend is it's more socially acceptable to own a gun in the United States than it was five to six years ago," he said.
            I wonder how many of those 129,166 were in Wisconsin (with its recent CCW law). Just LOL at the Brady campaign...it's just marketing.

            And 30 years ago, it was MORE socially acceptable to own a gun.

            And in a down economy, more people want to protect themselves. I think that's the main driver. I'm sure government distrust is in there a little, too.

            Links to articles:

            "Self-government won't work without self-discipline." - Paul Harvey

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            • #7
              Man, I'm such an idiot. Spent 5 minutes trying to see what bad things they said when I re-read the title "not talking bad"

              Yeah, I thought it was a good article. Plus, gun ownership tends to be contagious. Meaning, once I found friends that liked guns or were not totally put off by them - they each now have 3 or more guns....etc
              Originally posted by MR EDD
              U defend him who use's racial slurs like hes drinking water.

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              • #8
                I agree with CJ, I think the new gun shows are helping people understand more about weapons. Especially women, they see these somewhat attractive gun toting gals and think "I would look good doing that" and run out to buy a handgun, matching purse and pink camo shirts.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Saleen781 View Post
                  Especially women, they see these somewhat attractive gun toting gals and think "I would look good doing that" and run out to buy a handgun, matching purse and pink camo shirts.
                  So fucking true...my girl already stated she needed a matching purse and shoes to go with the checker pattern on her sig...
                  Originally posted by Sean88gt
                  You can take white off the list. White on anything is the best, including vehicles, women, and the Presidency.
                  Originally posted by Baron Von Crowder
                  You can not imagine how difficult it is to hold a half gallon of moo juice and polish the one-eyed gopher when your doin' seventy-five in an eighteen-wheeler.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Gtracer View Post
                    So fucking true...my girl already stated she needed a matching purse and shoes to go with the checker pattern on her sig...
                    That's hot. Post pics of your girl?


                    On a serious note, that is a refreshing article to read, and agreed that it is becoming more acceptable.

                    On the not voicing your opposition, there is a SF agent here in town that was out at the pasture with a group of us one day. I had brought my AR platform .50AE out that day to show the boys and when this guy saw it, felt the need to start spouting off that 'that's just what everyone needs, an assault rifle', then went on to spout the usual talking points. I know for a fact that he lost two policies from the other guys, and stopped my signing up with him, which we had been discussing and I had been about to do.
                    www.allforoneroofing.com

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