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    The Army has warned its recruiters to treat the gun-toting civilians gathering at centers across the country in the wake of the Chattanooga, Tenn., shooting as a security threat.


    Army to recruiters: Treat armed citizens as security threat
    By Travis J. Tritten
    Stars and Stripes
    Published: July 22, 2015



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    WASHINGTON — The Army has warned its recruiters to treat the gun-toting civilians gathering at centers across the country in the wake of the Chattanooga, Tenn., shooting as a security threat.

    Soldiers should avoid anyone standing outside the recruiting centers attempting to offer protection and report them to local law enforcement and the command if they feel threatened, according to a U.S. Army Recruiting Command policy letter issued Monday.

    Armed citizens — some associated with activist groups and militias — were standing vigil outside recruiting centers in Wisconsin, Georgia, Tennessee, Idaho and elsewhere this week, saying they want to provide protection to servicemembers barred from carrying firearms on duty. Four Marines and a sailor were killed by Mohammad Youssef Abdulazeez, a 24-year-old Kuwait-born native of Tennessee, during an attack Thursday on a strip mall recruiting center and a Navy facility that is being investigated as an act of terrorism.

    Abdulazeez fired into the front of the recruiting station but there were no casualties. The five servicemembers were killed during an attack on the Navy Operational Support Center. A Navy officer and a Marine reportedly fired at the gunman, although it is unclear why they were armed. It is against Defense Department policy for anyone other than military police or law enforcement to carry weapons on federal property.

    “I’m sure the citizens mean well, but we cannot assume this in every case and we do not want to advocate this behavior,” according to the Army Command Operations Center-Security Division letter, which was authenticated by the service.

    Recruiters were ordered not to interact or acknowledge the armed civilians, who have been greeted by a mix of concern, indifference and gratitude by the public.

    “If questioned by these alleged concerned citizens, be polite, professional and terminate the conversation immediately and report the incident to local law enforcement …,” the command advised.

    As the incidents crop up around the country, police could be asked to confront the civilians with guns on the Army’s behalf.

    “Ensure your recruiters clearly articulate to local police the civilian may be armed and in possession of a conceal/carry permit,” it told the centers.

    The command said recruiters should also immediately fill out an Army security report.

    Kelli Bland, a spokeswoman for Army Recruiting Command, said the service has been increasing vigilance following the Chattanooga shooting and that local residents can help in other ways.

    “Local communities can support our security by reporting suspicious activity, particularly around recruiting centers,” Bland wrote in an email to Stars and Stripes.

    Concerned citizens began gathering at the centers shortly after the shooting in Tennessee, and governors in some states ordered recruiters to armories or to be armed for protection against potential terrorist attacks. Congress has also pushed for the Defense Department to lift its current policy.

    The founder and president of Oath Keepers, a Constitution activist group based in Las Vegas, issued a national call Tuesday to guard centers, while members were already guarding centers in Tennessee, Arkansas and Oklahoma, president Stewart Rhodes told the Associated Press.

    Rhodes told the news service it’s “absolutely insane” that recruiters aren’t allowed to be armed.

    “They’re sitting ducks,” Rhodes said Tuesday. “They’d be better off if they were walking down the streets of Baghdad, because at least in Baghdad, they could move. Here, they’re stationary.”

    In Lewiston, Idaho, three men with a group known as “3 percenters” — a national alliance with members who prepare “for any situation, man-made or natural” — were standing watch outside a recruiting office this week, the TNS wire service reported.

    “They supported us, and now we’re here showing them that we support them,” said Matt Dillard, of Clarkston, Idaho, who was among the men.
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    Par for the fucking course....

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    • #3
      What a load of horse shit.

      Meanwhile, a release from the Department of the Navy said simply "Fuck yeah! 'Murica!"
      "It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself."

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      • #4
        Gen. Milley was the III Corps commander during the last Fort Hood shooting, he knows first hand how vulnerable our soldiers are.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Article
          "Soldiers should avoid anyone standing outside the recruiting centers attempting to offer protection and report them to local law enforcement and the command if they feel threatened, according to a U.S. Army Recruiting Command policy letter issued Monday."
          Using my superpower of unbiased, unemotional reading and comprehension of an article, doesn't this mean that they aren't automatically required to call local law enforcement? It seems to me that they must feel threatened by Joe Dirt at the recruiting station before they are to call out.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Magnus View Post
            Using my superpower of unbiased, unemotional reading and comprehension of an article, doesn't this mean that they aren't automatically required to call local law enforcement? It seems to me that they must feel threatened by Joe Dirt at the recruiting station before they are to call out.
            If they see citizens armed outside, they are to lock their doors, drop the blinds and call police. They aren't even to acknowledge we exist.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Forever_frost View Post
              If they see citizens armed outside, they are to lock their doors, drop the blinds and call police. They aren't even to acknowledge we exist.
              ...if they feel threatened. It doesn't say what to do if they feel comforted.
              ZOMBIE REAGAN FOR PRESIDENT 2016!!! heh

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              • #8
                Originally posted by YALE View Post
                ...if they feel threatened. It doesn't say what to do if they feel comforted.
                Not allowed to express that. Obama doesn't like the military protected, doesn't work with his game plan. If you want to cripple the military you hit it two ways. You gut it by numbers while changing the culture and filling it with gay and transgendered troops and illegals while also scaring new recruits away that may be interested in the old ways of God and Country and protecting the Republic. You turn it into a federal jobs plan that is keyed to affirmative action.
                I wear a Fez. Fez-es are cool

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Forever_frost View Post
                  Not allowed to express that. Obama doesn't like the military protected, doesn't work with his game plan. If you want to cripple the military you hit it two ways. You gut it by numbers while changing the culture and filling it with gay and transgendered troops and illegals while also scaring new recruits away that may be interested in the old ways of God and Country and protecting the Republic. You turn it into a federal jobs plan that is keyed to affirmative action.
                  It doesn't say they aren't allowed to feel anything other than threatened, or what to do of they feel another emotion. You're reading too much into the orders.
                  ZOMBIE REAGAN FOR PRESIDENT 2016!!! heh

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                  • #10
                    I still read this as "only when threatened, or feeling threatened." Where are you getting this extra info from Frost?
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Magnus View Post
                      I still read this as "only when threatened, or feeling threatened." Where are you getting this extra info from Frost?
                      Originally posted by Broncojohnny
                      HOORAY ME and FUCK YOU!

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                      • #12
                        Fucking lulz.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Forever_frost View Post
                          Not allowed to express that. Obama doesn't like the military protected, doesn't work with his game plan. If you want to cripple the military you hit it two ways. You gut it by numbers while changing the culture and filling it with gay and transgendered troops and illegals while also scaring new recruits away that may be interested in the old ways of God and Country and protecting the Republic. You turn it into a federal jobs plan that is keyed to affirmative action.
                          Wow

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                          • #14
                            lmao @ Tony!
                            Originally posted by BradM
                            But, just like condoms and women's rights, I don't believe in them.
                            Originally posted by Leah
                            In other news: Brent's meat melts in your mouth.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by YALE View Post
                              It doesn't say they aren't allowed to feel anything other than threatened, or what to do of they feel another emotion. You're reading too much into the orders.
                              You know Yale, perhaps I am. We lost Marines because idiots disarmed them and other idiots are now saying that citizens cannot act to protect said disarmed service members. I see a pattern from Fast and Furious to Benghazi to 1/3 of VA backlogs are actually vets who died waiting and see an administration that has declared war on the military and are actively working to gut it with lowest troop numbers since before WW2 and altering the makeup with protected classes, putting women in combat roles, and pushing to not only permit transgendered military members but paying for the surgery and hormone therapy for those who dishonor their uniform like Manning.

                              A long line of abuses.
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