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AnthonyS 01-24-2018 08:57 AM

Rangers 2018!
 
Signed more pitchers this offseason than any other team. They signed Fister (aging but once really good), Moore (young and very good), and Minor who has potential too. Adding 3 starters to Hamels / Perez makes the rangers something they've never been heading into any season, a team with a real starting pitching rotation.

BP 01-24-2018 09:22 AM

Yeah so Martin Perez is a damned moron and broke his elbow in a "freak bull accident". It's his non throwing elbow but still he's down for a few months.

Juan Pablo Martinez is a name we all should hopefully be familiar with soon. We couldn't blow our international signing pool on Ohtani so he's the next best thing and we really need a center fielder.

Also of note the current depth chart only has one right handed starting pitcher in Doug Fister. I think we'll either spend too much money and bring Darvish back or slightly over pay for Alex Cobb.

Personally I'd rather have Arrieta than either though. We should get a home town discount. He has a very fresh world series ring and is only 3 years removed from a Cy Young. Something the Rangers haven't seen in a very long time. Darvish is a better pitcher most of the year but Arrieta is a way better pitcher under pressure.

AnthonyS 01-24-2018 10:57 AM

Darvish isn't better; he makes about half his scheduled starts if that. Darvish is the last pitcher we need especially since we need to beat the Astros. If we sign Darvish, the Astros will gladly pay half his salary.

BP 01-24-2018 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by AnthonyS (Post 1679971)
Darvish isn't better; he makes about half his scheduled starts if that. Darvish is the last pitcher we need especially since we need to beat the Astros. If we sign Darvish, the Astros will gladly pay half his salary.

He made 31 starts and threw 186 innings last year. That's one start shy and two more innings than Martin Perez, our most worked pitcher last season. The only Astro with more starts was Brad Peacock at 34 but he only pitched 132 innings.

AnthonyS 01-24-2018 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BP (Post 1679990)
He made 31 starts and threw 186 innings last year. That's one start shy and two more innings than Martin Perez, our most worked pitcher last season. The only Astro with more starts was Brad Peacock at 34 but he only pitched 132 innings.

Last year in a contract year..... post his career averages for everyone and show the truth.

Darvish is the TO or AI of MLB. All the talent in the world, doesn't listen to coaches, low commitment to team, and doesn't give a rip. Potential never delivered in is not worth spending a dime. Watching rack up walks, HRs, Ls, and missing starts trying to strike everyone out has been a total failure for the Rangers and Dodgers. Let some other team suffer.

BP 01-25-2018 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by AnthonyS (Post 1680032)
Last year in a contract year..... post his career averages for everyone and show the truth.

2012 16-9 191.1 IP 29 starts
2013 13-9 209.2 IP 32 starts
2014 10-7 144.1 IP 22 starts

Note that he probably had a torn UCL through most of 2014 and wanted to pitch through it. JD benched him though since the team sucked that year.

2016 7-5 100.1 IP 17 starts in a comeback year from Tommy John again with a light workload not making a start until the end of May.

Also note that his contract would allow him to opt out early if he had a certain number of innings pitched. I don't remember the exact terms but had he pitched a full load in 2012 and 2014 he would have been a free agent last season. Also if he finished in the top two of the Cy Young award back to back. He finished 2nd in 2013.

He's a better pitcher than you're giving him credit for and he's good here.

pHILSANITY07 01-25-2018 12:05 PM

There has been a rumor that the Rangers are interested in Lorenzo Cain for the Center field position. Also heard either yesterday or Tuesday on the radio that Carlos Gomez is interested in a contract.

AnthonyS 01-25-2018 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by BP (Post 1680157)
2012 16-9 191.1 IP 29 starts
2013 13-9 209.2 IP 32 starts
2014 10-7 144.1 IP 22 starts

Note that he probably had a torn UCL through most of 2014 and wanted to pitch through it. JD benched him though since the team sucked that year.

2016 7-5 100.1 IP 17 starts in a comeback year from Tommy John again with a light workload not making a start until the end of May.

Also note that his contract would allow him to opt out early if he had a certain number of innings pitched. I don't remember the exact terms but had he pitched a full load in 2012 and 2014 he would have been a free agent last season. Also if he finished in the top two of the Cy Young award back to back. He finished 2nd in 2013.

He's a better pitcher than you're giving him credit for and he's good here.

He has less Ws during his time in the majors than stud's like Scott Feldman, and no one wants Feldman.

Yes he is BETTER, that's the problem. He's like Dez, TO or AI. He's awesome, but he never delivers on the promise of awesome. So compare him to an awesome pitcher like Verlander over the last 5 years and it's really awful.

Darvish is an awesome pitcher.... that delivers mediocre results and when it really freakin matters, he's on the DL or sucks (see WS). No thanks.

BP 01-26-2018 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by pHILSANITY07 (Post 1680172)
There has been a rumor that the Rangers are interested in Lorenzo Cain for the Center field position. Also heard either yesterday or Tuesday on the radio that Carlos Gomez is interested in a contract.

Cain signed with the Brewers yesterday.

pHILSANITY07 01-26-2018 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BP (Post 1680259)
Cain signed with the Brewers yesterday.

Kinda glad about that. Cain is in his early 30's and I didn't want the Rangers to sign him to that long of a contract.

pHILSANITY07 02-07-2018 07:17 PM

Rangers gave minor league contracts to Bartolo Colon and Johnathan Niese with an invitation to Spring Training. Betting that's because Martin Perez injured his non throwing arm during this offseason.

Also signed former Cardinal closer Seung-Hwan Oh to a contract.

AnthonyS 02-08-2018 05:51 AM

Bartolo is like the newest version of Charlie Hough..... he just keeps going out to the mound. His kids will retire before he does.

pHILSANITY07 02-11-2018 12:30 PM

Darvish signed a 6 year deal with the Cubs that could amount to being $150 Million with added incentives.

Wonder if the Rangers will see about signing Jake Arrietta.

BP 02-12-2018 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by pHILSANITY07 (Post 1682306)
Wonder if the Rangers will see about signing Jake Arrietta.

The Cubs wanted him first and settled on Darvish. I doubt we'll offer more than they did.

BP 02-12-2018 10:51 AM

In other news Esteban Loiza apparently is a drug king pin now, or was. https://www.lonestarball.com/2018/2/...-texas-rangers

AnthonyS 02-12-2018 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by pHILSANITY07 (Post 1682306)
Darvish signed a 6 year deal with the Cubs that could amount to being $150 Million with added incentives.

Wonder if the Rangers will see about signing Jake Arrietta.

Thank you Chicago! You can have him!

BP 02-13-2018 09:25 AM

And for some reason they came to terms with Trevor Plouffe today? https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...newstopstories

Because we need another utility infielder to backup Profar, Alberto, Middlebrooks and Drew Robinson?

CJ 02-14-2018 09:52 PM

I'm thinking the Rangers are going to be a dumpster fire.

BP 02-15-2018 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by CJ (Post 1682718)
I'm thinking the Rangers are going to be a dumpster fire.

It's going to be really tough to beat the Astros but also note that Beltre may be retiring after this season and Elvis can opt out after this year. They are both heavily motivated to win now. DeShields, Mazara and Gallo are all pre arbritration eligible so they are playing for a long term deal.

We have Elvis, Odor, Beltre, Mazara, Gallo, Choo and now Willie Calhoun in a regular lineup. Compare that to the late 90s with Gonzales, Pudge and Rusty Greer and I like our chances. We really didn't have any pitching back then either.

CJ 02-16-2018 11:31 AM

Our problem has always been pitching.


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