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  • Originally posted by QIK46 View Post
    It's all about the energy and Gazprom
    No concern for a warm deep water port and Ukrainian leadership change?

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    • Originally posted by Strychnine View Post
      No concern for a warm deep water port and Ukrainian leadership change?
      Russia has a port in Sevastopol already on a long term lease that is home to a sizeable fleet.
      Originally posted by lincolnboy
      After watching Games of Thrones, makes me glad i was not born in those years.

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      • It's all Truman and Eisenhower's fault. They should have listened to Patton and took out the Russians after WW2 when they were weak.

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        • Vladimir Putin be all like:
          "It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself."

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          • Originally posted by DOHCTR View Post
            Russia has a port in Sevastopol already on a long term lease that is home to a sizeable fleet.
            (opinion here) Exactly.

            Russia has a warm deep water port, on the Crimean peninsula, that they are leasing from the Ukranian govt.

            The pro-Russian leader of Ukraine (Viktor Yanukovych) was ousted and the new govt has is not going to be bent as easily. Hell, they introduced legislation that would "strip the Russian language of any official status." Combine that sort of nationalism with the fact that Ukraine would like to be part of the EU, and other things... what are the odds of this new Ukranian leadership honoring that port lease in the future?

            The fact that that portion of Ukraine is still very pro-Russia, unlike the western half of the country, means that Putin and his boys have good odds of taking it without a shot being fired.

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            • But then again, I also read this take on it this morning:
              Having studied Russia for 4 years I would say it is not because of the port. It is because Ukraine reaches far into the EU. Russia wants to keep its buffer states from the EU as loyal as possible to keep the dividing line between Russia and the EU as far away as possible. To do so they must keep certain Eastern European countries on their side to accomplish this goal. Russia's worst nightmare are these Eastern European states falling into direct EU loyalty or US loyalty. Meaning the enemy from the west is now on its doorstep. Now Russia would lose all of its stand off distance in the event of a major war. It has nothing to do with the port, they just want you to think it does. The port is only a tiny slice of the pie in the scope of the bigger picture here. Think port tactical win, keeping Ukraine loyal as a buffer is the end strategic goal.


              Or there's the possibility that Putin is just a dick and wants to look like the strong Russian leader his people want so he's going to bully the little kids on the block. I mean no one even talks about what he did in Georgia anymore. He's probably [correctly] betting that he'll get his way and no one will do a damn thing about it.

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              • Originally posted by ELVIS View Post
                $1 billion and we got starving kids here.

                god bless.
                Excellent point. Let's send them some starving kids, too.
                Originally posted by Broncojohnny
                HOORAY ME and FUCK YOU!

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                  • Great pics talisman

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                    • Originally posted by The King View Post
                      Great pics talisman

                      They came from "God"s Facebook page!

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                      • RUSSIAN PRESIDENT PUTIN DENIES there are Russian troops in Crimea, claiming uniformed gunmen — like these firing warning shots at the Belbek air base, outside Sevastopol — are 'local self-defense forces,' to which US Secretary of State John Kerry responded: 'He really denied there were troops in Crimea?'


                        Oh, and then there's this:


                        Russia test-fires Intercontinental Ballistic Missile, report says

                        Published March 04, 2014
                        FoxNews.com

                        DEVELOPING: Russia said it successfully test-fired an Intercontinental Ballistic Missile Tuesday, according to a Reuters report.

                        The Strategic Rocket Forces reportedly launched an RS-12M Topol missile from a region near the Caspian Sea, successfully hitting its target in Kazakhstan, Igor Yegorov, a Defense Ministry spokesman reportedly told RIA.


                        But, I mean, I'm sure that was planned long in advance and the timing is pure coincidence...

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                        • So who are those missiles intended for? Ukraine? Us?

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                          • I bet they also want to keep Interpol off their doorstep. If Ukraine joins EU, that would be tough to avoid.
                            ZOMBIE REAGAN FOR PRESIDENT 2016!!! heh

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                            • Originally posted by talisman View Post
                              Now we're just giving Ukraine a billion dollars?

                              http://news.yahoo.com/us-prepares-1b...-politics.html
                              Does it surprise you? Anytime Kerry goes to another country it costs tax payers at least 100 million.
                              "Any dog under 50lbs is a cat and cats are pointless." - Ron Swanson

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                              • Originally posted by jdgregory84 View Post
                                Does it surprise you? Anytime Kerry goes to another country it costs tax payers at least 100 million.
                                Maybe he will bring back some Ukrainian women.

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