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  • #46
    Originally posted by Broncojohnny View Post
    This is nothing but the classic blue collar hero load of bullshit that people with menial jobs tell each other to feel good.
    Think what you want, but it's true.

    I'll use APD as another example. They have to report a use of force every time their gun comes out of the holster. That makes officers reluctant to draw their guns. Ask Officer Jillian Smith how that works.

    Oh wait, you can't. She died with her gun in her holster.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by 03trubluGT View Post
      Think what you want, but it's true.

      I'll use APD as another example. They have to report a use of force every time their gun comes out of the holster. That makes officers reluctant to draw their guns. Ask Officer Jillian Smith how that works.

      Oh wait, you can't. She died with her gun in her holster.

      Easy man… You don't think she would not have drawn down on a person with a pistol pointed at her? Horrible example. The guy got the drop on her and just leave it at that.

      All you needed to say is that officer will avoid unholstering their pistols in an effort to avoid extra paperwork.

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      • #48
        I have a ton of respect for everything that cops go through but it seems like every asshole wants to be a cop. I have a buddy that was a deputy for 5 years and he already got burned out from all the other asshole officers he had to deal with. In his 5 years he said he never wrote 1 ticket. He said they either went to jail or got a warning. He said the only thing he is going to miss is actually helping theft victims get their stuff back. He said he was going back to mechanic work where he gets paid twice as much and less chances of getting shot.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by krazy kris View Post
          I have a ton of respect for everything that cops go through but it seems like every asshole wants to be a cop. I have a buddy that was a deputy for 5 years and he already got burned out from all the other asshole officers he had to deal with. In his 5 years he said he never wrote 1 ticket. He said they either went to jail or got a warning. He said the only thing he is going to miss is actually helping theft victims get their stuff back. He said he was going back to mechanic work where he gets paid twice as much and less chances of getting shot.
          If your buddy was a patrolman for 5 years and never wrote a ticket he's either a liar or works for a very very small county. There is real police work to be had in writing tickets sometimes. Itlf you get some known burglar in your area you can place him there with a simple ticket or especially if working any form of drug activities. And this is coming from someone who hates writing tickets.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by hustleman View Post
            Easy man… You don't think she would not have drawn down on a person with a pistol pointed at her? Horrible example. The guy got the drop on her and just leave it at that.

            All you needed to say is that officer will avoid unholstering their pistols in an effort to avoid extra paperwork.
            Make sure you call Matt over at the FWPD next time something like that happens, it sounds like he has it all figured out.
            Originally posted by racrguy
            What's your beef with NPR, because their listeners are typically more informed than others?
            Originally posted by racrguy
            Voting is a constitutional right, overthrowing the government isn't.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by kingjason View Post
              The fact of the matter is that people who have incredibly high IQ's, have no common sense or street smarts.


              Oh give me a break. That's as silly as trying to pigeonhole someone based on racist stereotypes. Or saying that all cops cheat on their s/o's.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by 03trubluGT View Post
                Think what you want, but it's true.

                I'll use APD as another example. They have to report a use of force every time their gun comes out of the holster. That makes officers reluctant to draw their guns. Ask Officer Jillian Smith how that works.

                Oh wait, you can't. She died with her gun in her holster.
                Originally posted by hustleman View Post
                Easy man… You don't think she would not have drawn down on a person with a pistol pointed at her? Horrible example. The guy got the drop on her and just leave it at that.

                All you needed to say is that officer will avoid unholstering their pistols in an effort to avoid extra paperwork.

                Jesus. You really don't give a damn who's expense you make a "point" at, do you Matt? Fucking disgraceful.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by hustleman View Post
                  Easy man… You don't think she would not have drawn down on a person with a pistol pointed at her? Horrible example. The guy got the drop on her and just leave it at that.

                  All you needed to say is that officer will avoid unholstering their pistols in an effort to avoid extra paperwork.
                  So you just let someone shoot you when you have a gun in an exposed hoster? Just like in the NYPD assasinations, you have to protect yourself at all times. Warrior mentality.

                  Originally posted by talisman View Post
                  Jesus. You really don't give a damn who's expense you make a "point" at, do you Matt? Fucking disgraceful.
                  Like you've been the angel of tact and respect on this board? You're the biggest hypocrite of them all.
                  Last edited by 03trubluGT; 01-01-2015, 09:35 AM.

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                  • #54
                    The Wonderlic Cognitive Ability Test is a popular group intelligence test used to assess the aptitude of prospective employees for learning and problem-solving in a range of occupations. Throughout both the U.S. and Canada, many police forces require candidates to take this test as one of the qualifications prior to being hired.

                    There are over 17,000 agencies in the US. What I can't find is how many use the Wonderlic test. If you can find that information, that would be useful. I know the city of Fort Worth did not use that test and instead used a Standardized Civil Service Test. Just Google "is the Wonderlic test racist?" and see what you get.

                    The standard range of scores applied for police officers is a score between 20 and 27. According to ABC News, The average score nationally for police officers is 21 to 22, the equivalent of an IQ of 104, or just a little above average. A perfect score on the Wonderlic is a 50.

                    Where did ABC news get these numbers?

                    On March 16, 1996 Robert Jordan from Connecticut, and 500 others underwent a written screening process which included the Wonderlic Test, conducted by the Law Enforcement Council of Southeastern Connecticut, Inc. (“LEC”), a coalition of fourteen cities and towns, in order to apply for a position as a police officer.

                    Several months later Jordan learned that the city of New London started interviewing candidates. After not hearing from them, Jordan inquired as to why he was passed over.

                    Jordan eventually learned from assistant city manager Keith Harrigan that he would not be interviewed because he “didn’t fit the profile.”

                    Thinking it was obviously age discrimination because he was 46 at the time, Jordan filed an administrative complaint with the Connecticut Commission on Human Rights and Opportunities.

                    The response that he received was completely out of left field. The city responded that it removed Jordan from consideration because he scored a 33 on the Wonderlic Cognitive Ability Test, and that to prevent frequent job turnover caused by hiring overqualified applicants the city only interviewed candidates who scored between 20 and 27.

                    The city of New London claims that “People within certain ranges achieve a degree of job satisfaction and are likely to be happy and therefore stay on the job.” They apparently believed that Jordan was too smart to be happy being a cop.

                    "They apparently belived Jordan was too smart to be happy being a cop." Really? Here's where the article starts to lose credibility. Nothing like putting words in someone's mouth.

                    This reasoning did not seem logical to Jordon so he filed a civil rights action in the District Court for the District of Connecticut alleging that the city and Harrigan denied him equal protection in violation of the Fourteenth Amendment and Article 4, Section 20, of the Connecticut Constitution.

                    On August 29, 1999 the court granted defendants’ motion for summary judgment citing “no suspect classification and that defendants had ‘shown . . . a rational basis’ for the policy.”

                    Jordan, thinking that this must be just a fluke ruling, then appealed and brought his case to the US Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit.

                    In the interim Jordan conducted his own research which showed that high scores do not actually correlate with experiencing more job dissatisfaction. The court ruled that despite the evidence to the contrary of New London’s claim, they are still justified in refusing applicants with high IQs “because it matters not whether the city’s decision was correct so long as it was rational.”

                    Because all applicants were denied based on high test scores, there was no discrimination taking place.

                    This decision by the US Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit to condone the ability of police departments to discriminate against smart people is one of the most profoundly ridiculous moves ever made. But it also tends to explain the state of police departments today.

                    It takes a special kind of person to go to work every day and harass, kidnap, and kill people for victimless crimes. The act of unquestioningly carrying out orders to ruin the lives of good people whose only “crime” was to do with their own body as they wish, would eventually have to raise the eyebrow of a person with a higher level of intelligence…or so we’d like to think.

                    Yup, all crediblity lost. So much lose in that paragraph. I guess by the author's belief, "good people" include junkies that steal from their families, commit crimes for drugs, etc. ????

                    Knowing that this ability to discriminate against intelligence in police departments exists tends to put ‘Police State USA’ in perspective. In the past decade we’ve seen heavily militarized actions against non-violent protesters. We’ve even seen school districts accepting MRAPs! And we’ve watched from the sidelines as Mayberry transformed to Martial Law

                    A smart person does not deliberately tear gas journalists. A smart person does not point a rifle an an innocent person and tell them that they are going to kill him. A smart person does not severely beat a person with down syndrome because he sees a bulge in his pants, which is actually a colostomy bag. A smart person does not continuously shoot at an unarmed man who posed zero threat and whose arms are in the air.

                    Just more drivel to incite emotion. Nothing to see here folks...

                    If more people knew this information you could rest assured that they would try and reform their police departments. No one wants their police officers to be unintelligent, right?

                    Controversial filmmaker Michael Moore helped to expose what happened to Jordan as well as the ridiculous notion of discriminating based on intelligence levels, on his show “The Awful Truth.” The 8 minute segment, while hilarious, paints an ominous picture of adhering to such tactics.

                    Michael Moore and his cronies are idiots. So, sticking a camera in someone's face and asking stupid questions is going to get a serious answer? Come on, we can all see the tauning. What if I brought a camera into O'Rielly's and said that the last two counter persons sold me the wrong part and started taunting them? What kind of reaction would that have brought from "Mr. I'm going to jump on your hood"????

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by 03trubluGT View Post
                      So you just let someone shoot you when you have a gun in an exposed hoster? Just like in the NYPD assasinations, you have to protect yourself at all times. Warrior mentality.

                      Like you've been the angel of tact and respect on this board? You're the biggest hypocrit of them all.

                      Giving someone back what they've lobbed at you is hardly hypocritical. We really need to rehash all that for the 50th time, while you invent new fairy tales as justification? Your stance on being ambushed is absurd. If someone walks up behind you and just opens fire out of nowhere, you're going to be very lucky to survive it. Keep dragging that womans name through the mud to make your point though, I'm sure the other cops on here that knew her and the situation really appreciate it.

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                      • #56
                        "The city of New London claims that “People within certain ranges achieve a degree of job satisfaction and are likely to be happy and therefore stay on the job.” They apparently believed that Jordan was too smart to be happy being a cop.

                        "They apparently belived Jordan was too smart to be happy being a cop."

                        Really? Here's where the article starts to lose credibility. Nothing like putting words in someone's mouth."


                        Isn't that exactly what it SAYS? LOL

                        Keep arguing the article. Th court decision speaks for itself.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by talisman View Post
                          Giving someone back what they've lobbed at you is hardly hypocritical. We really need to rehash all that for the 50th time, while you invent new fairy tales as justification? Your stance on being ambushed is absurd. If someone walks up behind you and just opens fire out of nowhere, you're going to be very lucky to survive it. Keep dragging that womans name through the mud to make your point though, I'm sure the other cops on here that knew her and the situation really appreciate it.
                          You just like jumping on anything I say. I get it.

                          Eric, have you ever hunted?

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                          • #58
                            Be careful Eric or he will come out to a meet and stare at his shoes again.

                            Warrior mentality, RAWWWWWRRR!!!
                            Originally posted by racrguy
                            What's your beef with NPR, because their listeners are typically more informed than others?
                            Originally posted by racrguy
                            Voting is a constitutional right, overthrowing the government isn't.

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                            • #59
                              [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47y5bo8wtqM[/ame]
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                              • #60
                                do you even hunt, bro?

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