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  • #16
    Originally posted by John -- '02 HAWK View Post
    Plus another small suv (I assume it's the opposite demographic of the bronco)

    Ford's car problem is the same as GM's and TriStars. Which is the 80's 90's domestic car quality problem as well as being arrogant in their pricing.
    All US manufacturers are too damn high. How often do you see them advertise a sale for 15-20% off MSRP? Even at that "discount", you drive away and it is worth half that.

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    • #17
      Bring back the LTD!

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      • #18
        ^^^^ I love Crown Vics.
        Magnus, I am your father. You need to ask your mother about a man named Calvin Klein.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by yellowstang View Post
          All US manufacturers are too damn high.
          That's what I was getting at, they all have the same price and quality issues/concerns.

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          • #20
            GM did a study and Americans are wanting SUVs over cars, I think it was by 2024 they predict 85% of new car sales will be trucks or SUVs

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            • #21
              Originally posted by svauto-erotic855 View Post
              The escort was the number one selling small car in the entire world and they decided they didn't want that either.
              Didn't the escort just turn into the focus? Which was also a world best seller.

              Originally posted by svauto-erotic855 View Post
              I drove a rented diesel Ranger a year or two ago and was not impressed.
              I drove any ranger anytime anywhere ever and was not impressed. I hate those pieces of garbage, screw a ranger, buy an F150. Wtf are they for anyway? Those little guys that you pity that are 5'5"?

              sorry rant over
              WH

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              • #22
                Originally posted by yellowstang View Post
                All US manufacturers are too damn high. How often do you see them advertise a sale for 15-20% off MSRP? Even at that "discount", you drive away and it is worth half that.
                This.

                I got my f150 for just a hair shy of 25% off of sticker and it wasn't even a high end model.

                Edit: they also gave me more than anyone else on my hail damaged trade in. I think it was over the KBB value
                Last edited by Ruffdaddy; 04-26-2018, 06:45 AM.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Gasser64 View Post
                  Didn't the escort just turn into the focus? Which was also a world best seller.
                  No really. There was some over lap in production years and believe it or not the Escort name was held in high esteem everywhere in the world except for here.



                  Originally posted by Gasser64 View Post
                  I drove any ranger anytime anywhere ever and was not impressed. I hate those pieces of garbage, screw a ranger, buy an F150. Wtf are they for anyway? Those little guys that you pity that are 5'5"?

                  sorry rant over
                  In my business a Ranger is much more desirable than an F150 to work out of because it is lower. The new Ranger is nearly as large as an F150 and the bed is almost as tall. I have owned a dozen or more Rangers and only a few F150s and would buy 6 new Rangers today if they were like the 2011 US models. I will never buy an F150 again.
                  Magnus, I am your father. You need to ask your mother about a man named Calvin Klein.

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                  • #24
                    I had a 2006 base model Ranger and it was fine for my purposes, although in hindsight an extended cab would have been a worthwhile upgrade. Never owned a F150, but did have a F100 of 1967 vintage back in the day.

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                    • #25
                      blame Uber?


                      Personal Sedan Sales in Jeopardy as U.S. Auto Market Transitions to “Islands” of Autonomous Mobility

                      Nov 2017

                      KPMG predicts that self-driving cars and mobility services will provide options that will reduce consumer desire to own cars, particularly sedans. Pushing a button for mobility services competes with the utility of sedans, and both give consumers the freedom to buy the car they really want to own or utilize mobility by the trip. In fact, KPMG projects that sales of personally-owned sedans in the U.S. will drop precipitously – from 5.4 million units sold today to just 2.1 million units by 2030.


                      In addition, according to the KPMG report, the transportation market will evolve from a national or regional one to 150-plus “islands of autonomy” – metropolitan areas that each have their own distinct mix of consumer travel needs delivered by autonomous mobility services.

                      ...

                      The Demise of the Personally Owned Sedan
                      The rise of autonomy and Mobility-as-a-Service (MaaS) in the 169 island markets will transform the car market, most heavily impacting the sedan class. Self-driving vehicles and mobility services provide options that will reduce consumer desire to own cars, particularly sedans.


                      “The concentration of personal automobile ownership declines in the sedan segment will lead to deeper disruption of the markets than OEMs have previously anticipated,” says Tom Mayor, Strategy leader for Industrial Manufacturing at KPMG LLP. “Several OEMs will likely close plants and exit the segment entirely. At these volumes, we would expect the current 10 OEMs serving the U.S. market with more than 800,000 sedans per year to contract to only three or four.”

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by 32vfromhell View Post
                        Re-evaluate your own processes and figure out why if Company X,Y, and Z can do it, why cant my company.
                        You don't think they did that? Surprisingly, there is a limit to the amount of cash a big company will piss away.

                        Not having a presence in cars is not the right move and sends a very weird message to consumers.
                        Maybe, but short of the trucks and mustang, I'd be hard pressed to rattle off which cars they produced. That goes for all manufacturers.


                        Our future generations will have fully autonomous autos that are IoT connected and no one will learn how to drive as it will be archaic and freedom to go where you wish it will be forgotten in the name of convenience.


                        As far as remote workers go, there is a small but increasing trend to bring people back into the office in the name of control. IBM just recalled every employee to the officers or be let go in 2017.
                        The way cars are bought is changing as well, and you'll see a move to subscription based services.

                        And the fact that anyone has to go into an office in 2018 is horseshit, but you're right, it's strictly about control.

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                        • #27
                          Ford mustang, focus crossover ...

                          Wow!

                          Ford mustang, focus crossover only cars in US by 2020






                          David

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                          • #28
                            kinda sad.

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                            • #29
                              Maybe they will expand the mustang? Id dig a 4 door v8 6speed rwd car.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by 4bangen View Post
                                Maybe they will expand the mustang? Id dig a 4 door v8 6speed rwd car.
                                yeah, no...

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