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Old 04-07-2018, 09:18 AM   #1
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I am looking to pick up a night vision optic of some sort. I have had the chance to play around with a couple of nice gen 3 pvs14 style units recently. I like to think that I like the good shit so I would think that I am after either a nice gen 3+ or gen 4 pvs14 style unit or a thermal optic.

thermal really looks nice to me but I haev never had a chance to play with one in person.

One thing that I don't know about night vision is that there are apparently several manufactures of tubes and that some of the units I see are advertised as "hand selected tubes" and I don't know what all that means.

My budget is in the 4-5k range and im looking for someone who is in the know to tell me what to look for on either option.
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Old 04-07-2018, 10:20 AM   #2
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I thought CJ posted something about 2 years ago or more. I know he has some experience with them. I have none. Post whatever u find out, as I’m interested as well.
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I don’t know much about either, but for me if that was my budget, I’d be looking at thermal.
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My corp owns exelis who makes high end nv and optics for military, idk if they have any public offerings though. I can ask some people on Monday.
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My corp owns exelis who makes high end nv and optics for military, idk if they have any public offerings though. I can ask some people on Monday.
https://ownthenight.com/new-products...sion-binocular

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Ive been looking and reading all day so far and thermal is definitely the way to go. Problem is the one I like is 9k.
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I need to check out their (our?) offerings, but i doubt we get any kind of discount.

https://www.gggaz.com/itt-pvs-14-night-vision.html
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Old 04-07-2018, 04:00 PM   #8
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Between standard night vision and thermal, thermal is the way to go.

If you go night vision anything less than Gen3 is pretty much a waste at a tactical level, especially at any sort of range.

Also, you usually will get the best results if you use a separate illuminator.

I don't have the available choo-choo money to get a nice setup, only to use it once in a while.
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I need to check out their (our?) offerings, but i doubt we get any kind of discount.

https://www.gggaz.com/itt-pvs-14-night-vision.html
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Old 04-08-2018, 05:41 AM   #10
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When do we get gen 4 at more reasonable prices?
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I am looking to pick up a night vision optic of some sort. I have had the chance to play around with a couple of nice gen 3 pvs14 style units recently. I like to think that I like the good shit so I would think that I am after either a nice gen 3+ or gen 4 pvs14 style unit or a thermal optic.

thermal really looks nice to me but I haev never had a chance to play with one in person.

One thing that I don't know about night vision is that there are apparently several manufactures of tubes and that some of the units I see are advertised as "hand selected tubes" and I don't know what all that means.

My budget is in the 4-5k range and im looking for someone who is in the know to tell me what to look for on either option.
I may be wrong but I think CJ posted info about night vision gear in response to my inquiry about it.

Tubes are like diamonds in that each one is a little bit different. They have to be inspected for faults in the tube the same way you inspect a diamond. Typically military NV gear has a few spots in the tube that would not be accepted by a civilian that just payed retail for the optic.

I bought a few PVS-14s; one was US issue and the other was a commercial model. The commercial model is the better of the two but was several times more expensive.

I have since bought some thermal sights to replace the PVS-14s and would highly recommend thermal over anything else. If you go thermal get the ones with a 60hz rating and higher magnification.

Edit: FYI In regard to thermal sights you get what you pay for and there are not any cheap good ones. I would keep an eye on the THF for a used one. Quite a few guys there buy some seriously good gear and sell them every few years as better stuff becomes available.
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Old 04-11-2018, 07:14 PM   #12
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http://www.opticsden.com/best-therma...for_under_5000

I have the ATN Thor. I highly recommend it and itís in your budget.


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Old 04-12-2018, 11:52 AM   #13
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Those look very similar to the AN/PVS-15 that I used to use. Those things were badass!
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Old 04-12-2018, 12:46 PM   #14
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After a shit ton of reading I have narrowed it down to 2 choices. Both of them are FU expensive. I guess I will keep saving, I could put what im not willing to throw cash at it on the plastic but im not going to do that.

https://www.opticsplanet.com/v/tat16...6x50-60hz.html

https://www.opticsplanet.com/trijico...EOREAP-IRMS-35


From what I read that trijicon unit is the tits but everything they make pretty much is.
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^^^^ The first one on your list is what I have along with the 4x32 version. I caught them slightly on sale from Brownells and hit them will a 10 percent off coupon when I placed the order. Brownells normally does the 10 percent off around the holidays and I wait to make my big ticket purchases then.
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Old 04-12-2018, 04:37 PM   #16
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There are many grades of tubes. Most of what you see from non OEM companies are going to be military contract rejects. That's not to say they're bad, but they didn't meet spec for whatever reason. It's been mentioned, but not meeting spec may not have any tangible difference to an end user. You'll hear things like mil spec, commercial, aviation grade, etc. Some will be autogated, some not. Usually it's reflected in the price. If you really want to learn about nightvision, visit identmarking in Rockwall. Jason Crum knows everything there is to know about nightvision, especially the PVS-14.

As someone who owns a PVS-14 I will tell you a few things you need to know beforehand. Nightvision by itself is not very useful for hunting or shooting at night. You still need to see what you're aiming at. A PVS-14 does have an illuminator built-in, but it's for finding stuff on the floorboards of a huvmee, not seeing pigs at 500 yards. A PVS-14 needs to be combined with an infrared illuminator for visibility at range. These are not cheap, at all. You can get away with cheap illuminators like "the torch," which is basically just an infrared flashlight. That will run you around $300 or so. You can combine this with an optic that has a nightvision setting and be reasonably effective (you will need a weapon mount for the PVS-14 and an appropriate optic). If you want to aim like the military does you'll need an infrared illuminator/target system like a AN/PEQ-15. These use a focusable laser projector for illumination, and an infrared laser for aiming. You can get (stolen) PEQ-2's for around $1,000 off eBay, and more modern PEQ-15+'s and clones for around $2,000-$3,500. You need to factor that into the price of nightvision if you plan on shooting at range.

I have shot with thermal as well, and I would definitely recommend it over nightvision for spotting animals. It makes hunting at night as easy as could be. I wouldn't go as far to say it's a better option for shooting, though. Thermal has a lot of advantages over nightvision, but it also has a lot of disadvantages. Unless you're dropping some serious coin on a high res, high refresh rate unit, you're probably going to be like 95% of people with thermal scopes and end up with a cheap low res, low refresh rate thermal unit. The good thing is you really don't need high resolution to get real use out of them. Unless you plan on sighting in your gun every time you want to hunt, you're probably going to have to dedicate an entire weapon to a thermal scope. That is unless you trust it to hold zero if you remove it.

I've found that a cheap handheld thermal unit combined with a PVS-14 is great way to be effective and not spend 10 grand. You can actually build them for pretty cheap, for instance using the "nightvision" camera out of a 00-05 Cadillac DeVille, which is a 320x240 30Hz Raytheon thermal unit. Really not a bad unit - and still in production in today's Cadillacs. You can talk to Jason Crum about them, he usually has one around that he's built. There are several cheaper units now available that weren't when the DIY route was popular. I prefer to use them as a spotting scope to locate the pigs, and then nightvision to shoot them. One of the disadvantages of nightvision is spotting animals that are not moving. Since nightvision relies on illumination from the same perspective you're viewing, there is not a lot of depth perception. Picking out a stationary animal is a little tricky, because camo is still quite effective. That's where thermal really shines.

Since both Thermal and Nightvision have shortcomings, the military has combined them on their newer AN/PVS units. They even make COTI (clip on thermal imagers) units that fit over a nightvision. The next generation US device is the AN/PSQ-20. Take a look through one. For the cool price of $18,000 you can own one.
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Brownells just sent out a 10 percent off coupon that is good until midnight.

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I can get you hooked up with one of the leading military used night vision systems, comes equipped with missile launching abilities.... just a cool $950k, missiles sold separately.
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...As someone who owns a PVS-14 I will tell you a few things you need to know beforehand. Nightvision by itself is not very useful for hunting or shooting at night. You still need to see what you're aiming at. A PVS-14 does have an illuminator built-in, but it's for finding stuff on the floorboards of a huvmee, not seeing pigs at 500 yards. A PVS-14 needs to be combined with an infrared illuminator for visibility at range. These are not cheap, at all. You can get away with cheap illuminators like "the torch," which is basically just an infrared flashlight. That will run you around $300 or so. You can combine this with an optic that has a nightvision setting and be reasonably effective (you will need a weapon mount for the PVS-14 and an appropriate optic)...
I was issued a PVS 7 when I drove a Humvee in the Armored Cavalry (3rd ACR), which had the same illumination (for close up but nothing at distance). For those that don't know, those have two viewfinders (for both eyes) but are still single tube like the 14's so you don't get depth perception. Driving a Humvee through the desert wearing them was tough, even using the vehicles blackout lights, because of shadows. One thing that really helped was holding my mini maglite out of the window with the red lense.. It was like having a huge spotlight (although didn't necessarily comply with light discipline principles). Of course that was in the mid 90's and the only deserts I was driving around in were around Fort Bliss, Fort Carson, and Fort Irwin..
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