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  • #31
    Originally posted by CWO View Post
    Oh yeah, the bible. The book written by men, only to be rewritten by men.

    Another thing. There really isn't much of anything in that book that is very clear. That's probably why there are so many different religions and why people that believe in the bible can't even agree most of the time.
    Actually they do agree most of the time. It becomes more clear as a person reads it individually, for themselves, and listens to what it says to them.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by The King View Post
      Actually they do agree most of the time. It becomes more clear as a person reads it individually, for themselves, and listens to what it says to them.
      Which is why there are so many different versions of the bible in the english language alone...

      The king James version of the bible is perhaps the most accurate in terms of the language itself. All be it the most difficult to understand just by reading it verse by verse point blank.

      There are as many as 22 different versions of the ENGLISH version alone. Let alone vast other versions in different languages throughout the world. Be it the AST, Amplified, Contemporay, Good News versions exc....

      The reason being is that they ALL have the same thing in common... they are all based off the Greek/Latin fundamentals of language that is universally known throughout the ENTIRE WORLD for thousands of years....

      Each scholared author has their own interpretation of "meaning" behind each word in the bible. It could be interpretted in many different ways. But they all have one thing in common. The original, " fundamental meaning," if you will, originally written is for every COMMON MAN to be able to read and interpret the word of GOD in his or her own way...
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      • #33
        Originally posted by Bad Religion View Post
        Impose your will on them and MAKE THEM BELIEVE in your view point.
        Fixed

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        • #34
          Originally posted by 564826 View Post
          Fixed
          Nice. Im waiting for you to elaborate w/some intelligence.
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          • #35
            Originally posted by davbrucas View Post
            http://www.wikihow.com/Persuade-an-A...come-Christian


            A few highlights:

            quote:
            you live in a particularly Christian country, then you are almost certainly not the first Christian to try to convert any atheist you meet. And probably most attempts before you were pushy and/or formulaic. Learn to "be Christian" rather than "talk Christian", and you may have more luck.


            quote:
            Many atheists see proselytizing Evangelical Christians (and only Evangelicals) as mentally deranged fanatics, close-minded and incapable of accepting another's belief, on a par with UFO believers, neo-Nazis, or any rabid believer. Perhaps your role in their eventual conversion is simply to serve as a counter-example.

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            not just bring in the subject of the Ten Commandments and list them off one by one. If you wish to talk about morality with an atheist, be prepared to give real, non-religious, reasons for why you think something is right or wrong, instead of just "God said so".

            quote:
            Persistently demonstrate a loving and Christlike example within your own life; some atheists are atheists because of their (many times justified) perception that Christians are hypocritical or evil. Remember that examples of hypocritical Christians can be found by the dozen, starting with Ted Haggard and ending with Catholic pedophiles. Explain that the reprobate Christian is not like all other Christians, but do know that there are counterarguments. Simultaneously, realize that there are many, many moral people who are agnostics and atheists - one does not need religion to have "decent" behavior.

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            Learn about geology and evolution and do not try to argue that observable physical reality is wrong. Most Christians accept that evolution is proven to be scientific fact, and realize that it does not conflict with faith. Do not avoid books written by atheists; they are not biased against God, but instead try simply to present factual accounts. Be aware that books written by Christians are usually biased and factually inaccurate. Agnostic writers tend to find a common ground, but you have to be prepared to recognize the "Flying Spaghetti Monster/Pink Unicorn Theories", and realize that there is a logical point to these arguments.

            quote:
            Insisting that someone worship in a religion is wrong and not effective. No matter what your religion, one should be clearly persuaded--but not be treated cruelly or as if they are somehow "wrong". Also be warned that in some cultures the act of converting or conversion could be either unethical, or - like in Saudi Arabia - usually illegal. Be prepared to be persecuted or even killed for sharing your faith.

            quote:
            A non-believer may not be swayed by arguments from the Bible, since he or she does not believe that it is divinely-inspired, or possibly that deities even exist. Quoting a Bible verse might be sufficient if speaking to a fellow Christian, but it will likely not be convincing for an atheist.

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            Keep in mind that many atheists may not even believe that Jesus existed, let alone that he was God made man. Therefore making statements like "Jesus loves you so much that he died for your sins" will most likely not sway them.
            Good shit!

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            • #36
              Originally posted by 4.6coupe View Post
              Which is why there are so many different versions of the bible in the english language alone...

              The king James version of the bible is perhaps the most accurate in terms of the language itself. All be it the most difficult to understand just by reading it verse by verse point blank.

              There are as many as 22 different versions of the ENGLISH version alone. Let alone vast other versions in different languages throughout the world. Be it the AST, Amplified, Contemporay, Good News versions exc....

              The reason being is that they ALL have the same thing in common... they are all based off the Greek/Latin fundamentals of language that is universally known throughout the ENTIRE WORLD for thousands of years....

              Each scholared author has their own interpretation of "meaning" behind each word in the bible. It could be interpretted in many different ways. But they all have one thing in common. The original, " fundamental meaning," if you will, originally written is for every COMMON MAN to be able to read and interpret the word of GOD in his or her own way...
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              2 Chronicles 7:14
              If My people, which are called by My name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

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              • #37
                LOL @ the bible has been around for "thousands of years." At MOST it could be two...two thousand years. Given that the New Testament was written after the year 2000, most if not all was written after 32 A.D. (when Jesus was believed to be killed), it's been 1000+ years. Not to get all mathematical on the religion.
                "Any dog under 50lbs is a cat and cats are pointless." - Ron Swanson

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                • #38
                  Actually, we're told to spread His Word and Love. We are to just put it out there for others to exercise their own free will (as we have) to believe or not. I agree that there are some that are over-pushy with this, but that goes for both sides. It's whatever.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Denny View Post
                    Actually, we're told to spread His Word and Love. We are to just put it out there for others to exercise their own free will (as we have) to believe or not. I agree that there are some that are over-pushy with this, but that goes for both sides. It's whatever.
                    I can do nothing but agree with this. Well said sir. There are extremists on all sides, christian, athiest, muslim, dirty jew(jk), and anything else. The extremist are always the ones that turn the other side of the argument off. If god exists, and god gave us free will...I can only imagine that god would want us to come to our own conclusions.
                    "Any dog under 50lbs is a cat and cats are pointless." - Ron Swanson

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                    • #40
                      Ya, it took me a while, but if God loves and respects someone enough to accept their rejection, then I guess I should too.


                      <---Still learning and growing.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by poopnut2 View Post
                        LOL @ the bible has been around for "thousands of years." At MOST it could be two...two thousand years. Given that the New Testament was written after the year 2000, most if not all was written after 32 A.D. (when Jesus was believed to be killed), it's been 1000+ years. Not to get all mathematical on the religion.
                        Torah/The Pentateuch has only been around at most 2000 years?

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by The King View Post
                          Torah/The Pentateuch has only been around at most 2000 years?
                          Changing the subject.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by sc281 View Post
                            Changing the subject.
                            ?????

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by The King View Post
                              ?????
                              You heard me. He is saying the Bible, you know the thing you cut and paste verses of on here, is less than 2k years old, and assembled by men, and revised by men.

                              Sorry, I don't put a shred of faith in a book the the Roman Emperor Constantine and a bunch of decrepit old sell outs of the so called 'faith' put together after a Board meeting in +/- 200 AD

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                              • #45
                                Torah/The Penateuch are less than 2K years old?

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