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  • Don't ask Don't Tell is dead...

    Obama just signed the repeal. I'm glad this BS is over. One less distraction.



    WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama signed a landmark law Wednesday repealing the ban on gay men and women serving openly in the military, fulfilling one of his major campaign pledges and casting the issue as a matter of civil rights long denied.

    "No longer will tens of thousands of Americans in uniform be asked to live a lie, or look over their shoulder in order to serve the country that they love," Obama said.

    A beaming Obama signed the bill at the Interior Department, a location chosen to accommodate a larger than normal audience that cheered, chanted and applauded throughout the ceremony.

    "This is a good day," Obama told the crowd. "This is a very good day."

    The new law ends the 17-year-old "don't ask, don't tell" policy that forced gays to hide their sexual orientation or face dismissal. More than 13,500 people were discharged under the policy. Its repeal comes as the American public has become more tolerant on such issues as gay marriage and gay rights in general.

    "I say to all Americans, gay or straight, who want nothing more than to defend this country in uniform, your country needs you, your country wants you, and we will be honored to welcome you into the ranks of the finest military the world has ever known," Obama said.

    Pentagon officials must first complete implementation plans before lifting the old policy — and the president, defense secretary and chairman of the joint chiefs must certify to lawmakers that it won't damage combat readiness, as critics charge. But Obama said: "We are not going to be dragging our feet to get this done."

    The signing ceremony was a breakthrough moment for the nation's gay community, the military and for Obama himself. The president vowed during his 2008 campaign to repeal the law and faced pressure from liberals who complained he was not acting swiftly enough.

    For Obama, it was the second high-profile bill signing ceremony within a week. On Friday, he signed into a law a tax package he negotiated with Republicans that extended Bush-era tax rates for two more years, cut payroll taxes and ensured jobless benefits to the unemployed for another year.

    The two events, however, could not have been more different in tone.

    The tax deal divided Democrats and forced Obama to accept extensions of tax cuts for the wealthiest, a step he had promised to not take. With Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell at his side during that bill signing, Obama seemed dutiful and subdued.

    By contrast, the emotion of Wednesday's ceremony defined it; even the president himself said he was "overwhelmed" by the moment. The gay activists and supporters packed in the room hooted, applauded and shouted in joy at the president, shedding any sense of a contained, formal event.

    As Obama signed the bill into law, someone in the back of the room yelled: "We're here, Mr. President. Enlist us now!"

    "I couldn't be prouder," Obama said.

    Obama hailed the "courage and vision" of Defense Secretary Robert Gates and praised Gates and Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Adm. Mike Mullen, who advocated changing the law.

    Among those in attendance at the ceremony was the son of a World War II veteran who was saved by a gay comrade during the Battle of the Bulge. Also present was Marine Staff Sgt. Eric Alva, the first American wounded in the war in Iraq who has spoken out against the Pentagon policy.

    The Pentagon now must address the practical consequences of the law. Guidelines must be completed that cover a host of questions, from how to educate troops to how sexual orientation should be handled in making barracks assignments.

    White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said Obama thinks actual implementation of the new law will be "a matter of months."

    Military officials and gay rights groups have been warning gay troops not to come out yet, as the law will not go into effect until certification — and after that, a 60-day waiting period.

    The new law is the second of three expected victories in what's turned out to be a surprisingly productive lame-duck Congress for Obama . Weeks after his self-described "shellacking" in the midterm vote, he's won lopsided approval of a tax cut compromise, and the Senate is poised to deliver his top foreign policy goal: ratification of a new nuclear arms treaty with Russia.

    Born 17 years ago as a compromise between President Bill Clinton and a resistant Pentagon, the "don't ask, don't tell" policy became for gay rights campaigners a notorious roadblock on the way to full acceptance.

    Yet he has also faced rising discontent among gay activists who believed he hadn't moved forcefully enough. He's been heckled at campaign appearances over AIDS funding and the failure to end the military service ban.

    Obama countered that as commander in chief, he had to ensure the ban's end is carefully prepared for.

    That's just what the bill from Congress mandates.

    "The implementation and certification process will not happen immediately; it will take time," Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. Norton Schwartz warned in an e-mail that went out right after Saturday's Senate vote. "Meanwhile, the current law remains in effect. All Air Force members should conduct themselves accordingly."

    Military and administration officials are wrestling with numerous legal questions raised by the end of the ban — knowing that courts are waiting in the wings. They include what to do about pending expulsion proceedings, and when those ousted under the old policy might apply to rejoin the armed forces.

  • #2
    Don't agree with the repeal, and thought it was a valid compromise....

    I will agree that it has been a distraction over the past few weeks over larger issues, and a valid spotlight on how a "lame duck" congress can be anything but lame.... but I have never been in favor of social experimentation by the feds within the ranks... do some research into the decision to let females on active duty ships on long deployments and how it has effected several key personnel issues within the USN.... let's hope the repercussions of this decision don't outweigh any benefits....

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    • #3
      "We're here, we're queer, get used to it."

      Stevo
      Originally posted by SSMAN
      ...Welcome to the land of "Fuck it". No body cares, and if they do, no body cares.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by stevo View Post
        "we're here, we're queer, get used to it."

        stevo
        never

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        • #5
          Didn't stop SlowLX.

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          • #6
            Kind of an odd political move IMO. They are not gaining any support as traditionally homosexuals have supported the democratic party, while they may have angered or alienated people on the fence.
            Originally posted by lincolnboy
            After watching Games of Thrones, makes me glad i was not born in those years.

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            • #7
              Automatic ticket to front lines?

              I mean, you don't really want them in the rear, right?
              sigpic

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              • #8
                Originally posted by 90GT50 View Post
                Didn't stop SlowLX.
                They were scared of my giant dong

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Magnus View Post
                  Automatic ticket to front lines?

                  I mean, you don't really want them in the rear, right?

                  Heh-Heh....Heh.....Heh-Heh-Heh.....

                  He just said "rear".....Heh-Heh


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                  • #10
                    If the brass is opposed to this, the law of unintended consequences could take hold with an outright ban of the homos.

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                    • #11
                      All fun and games until some Marines beat to death a homo in their barracks.
                      You remember the stories John use to tell us about the the three chinamen playing Fantan? This guy runs up to them and says, "Hey, the world's coming to an end!" and the first one says, "Well, I best go to the mission and pray," and the second one says, "Well, hell, I'm gonna go and buy me a case of Mezcal and six whores," and the third one says "Well, I'm gonna finish the game." I shall finish the game, Doc.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by DieselSmoke View Post
                        All fun and games until some Marines beat to death a homo in their barracks.
                        Col. Jessep is gonna call for a Code Red...

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by davbrucas View Post
                          Col. Jessep is gonna call for a Code Red...
                          You see Danny, I can deal with the bullets, and the bombs, and the blood. I don't want money, and I don't want medals. What I do want is for you to stand there in that faggoty white uniform and with your Harvard mouth extend me some fucking courtesy. You gotta ask me nicely.
                          You remember the stories John use to tell us about the the three chinamen playing Fantan? This guy runs up to them and says, "Hey, the world's coming to an end!" and the first one says, "Well, I best go to the mission and pray," and the second one says, "Well, hell, I'm gonna go and buy me a case of Mezcal and six whores," and the third one says "Well, I'm gonna finish the game." I shall finish the game, Doc.

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                          • #14
                            Fucking fags !!! I don't agree
                            Vortex rear stand $75
                            8.8 410s. $50

                            **SKAGG NASTY**
                            My goal in life is to not arrive at the grave in a well preserved body.
                            but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "holy shit!!!.. what a ride!"

                            1990 Foxbody GT for that ass
                            11 4 door
                            13 FX2 White 5.0

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                            • #15
                              The repeal of this policy essentially is an endorsement of men porking men and women carpet munching one another. It's a carte blanche acceptance of sexually deviant behavior. Now fags and lesbos can tell you who they're porking and who they're are munching without consequence. This is a sad day for the military and our nation. What's going to happen when the first married fag or lesbo couple apply for housing or quarters?
                              I don't and never will equate this issue with the civil rights struggle. You can't hide race in the closet or come out when it is popular or 'Nuveau.' The civil rights struggle was a humanitarian issue, not a choice or lifestyle issue.

                              This will have a ripple effect and stir controversy in all aspects of military life from marriage, to promotions to battlefield calamity. What's more important today, fighting and winning the wars on the table (bringing our troops home) or this non issue?

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