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Old 04-23-2018, 06:31 PM   #21
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That's a weak response...I expected them to come back with more than just a customization program. What kinda half refute is that?

But I don't really buy yeti anyways and the NRA certainly made a bigger deal of this than needed. Regardless this did cement my stance that I will never even consider a yeti product.
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Old 04-23-2018, 06:37 PM   #22
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I think they're just taking a beating from the competition and can't afford it.
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Old 04-23-2018, 07:40 PM   #23
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I would just like to say, it took me a very long time to realize RTIC was a play on arctic. I thought it was R.I.T.C.

I.R.DUM.
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Old 04-23-2018, 08:10 PM   #24
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I would just like to say, it took me a very long time to realize RTIC was a play on arctic. I thought it was R.I.T.C.

I.R.DUM.
I was in that same boat. Except I actually got the order of the letters correct.
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Old 04-23-2018, 08:25 PM   #25
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I was in that same boat. Except I actually got the order of the letters correct.
Sorry, day beers for yard work.
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Old 04-24-2018, 05:35 AM   #26
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The customization program wasn't part of the refute, it was the original message.

YETI ended an old promo program
YETI offered a new program
NRA misread, mislead, and cried like a bitch
NRA also added extra bullshit that was neither material nor true


The NRA don't get special privileges just because of who they are - YETI have a business to run. If they want some free mugs maybe they could return the favor by not fucking over their members on big legislation. Yeah, LaPierre has said they'd go after the Hughes Amendment... but in their latest chance to fight for something they just caved.

But they'll sure pick an unwarranted fight over an insulated mug!


(Like Al, the only YETI in own was a gift from a Cummins group. I have some RTIC stuff... this is not a fanboy thing)
What new program was offered in the place of the one they canned?

What big legislation are you so salty about?
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Old 04-24-2018, 06:51 AM   #27
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Only one thing to do. Unload 1000 rounds into your yeti and put it in dumpster
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Old 04-24-2018, 07:41 AM   #28
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What new program was offered in the place of the one they canned?
Who cares? They're a business that can do whatever they want and they don't have to explain it to anyone. They could have said, "Fuck all these discount programs, eat our asses" and it still wouldn't have been an exercise in political grandstanding like the NRA made it out to be.


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What big legislation are you so salty about?
I must have deleted while you were responding - decided that arguing over what some cup maker does or doesnt do isnt productive at all, but since you asked ...

The NRA really makes me wonder if they really care about 2A rights or if they're just in it for money (let some incremental laws pass, scare the people, get donations, rinse, repeat).

For instance, the 1986 machine gun ban.
"Repealing the machine gun ban amendment tacked on to the McClure-Volkmer bill will be a high priority."
- Wayne LaPierre

They were even saying they'd have legislation introduced in the next session to start fighting it, and went so far as to say:

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  • The Second Amendment is not limited by its language to the type of of firearms which the people have a right to own... The NRA will actively work for the repeal of the prohibition against law-abiding citizens obtaining newly made automatic firearms.
  • The NRA further recognizes that sporting events involving automatic firearms are similar to those events such as silhouette shooting and other target-related endeavors, and deserve the same respect and support.
  • The National Rifle Association hereby declares that the highest priority is being assigned to the restoration of the rights of automatic firearm owners, and the NRA will work with other organizations to that end. The NRA makes the commitment to all members that it will actively work toward the repeal of the recent machine gun ban and will take all necessary steps to educate the pubic on the sporting uses and legal ownership of automatic firearms.
Then they formed the National Firearms Association to "help repeal the machine gun amendment and to educate the public about automatic firearms." The whole thing quietly died, the National Firearms Association doesnt exist anymore, and the a few years ago the NRA president himself said that fully automatic weapons should be illegal (pres David Keene to CNN at a Harvard town hall mtg)


10/13/17 the NRA was against any legislation banning bumpstocks.
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"We oppose the gun-control legislation being offered by Senator Feinstein and Representatives Curbelo and Moulton. These bills are intentionally overreaching and would ban commonly owned firearm accessories."
Then the stance became that any regulation should come from ATF instead of congress. ATF had already ruled on this saying
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bump stocks have "no automatically functioning mechanical parts or springs and performs no automatic mechanical function when installed... Accordingly, we find that the 'bump-stock' is a firearm part and is not regulated as a firearm under Gun Control Act or the National Firearms Act."
But the NRA, decided to give up more ground but try to spin it like they were totally against any new laws... but, you know, if they ATF were to reverse its decision that would be totally cool...
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the National Rifle Association is calling on the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE) to immediately review whether these devices comply with federal law. The NRA believes that devices designed to allow semi-automatic rifles to function like fully-automatic rifles should be subject to additional regulations.
They were against the Brady Bill, which created NICS (and spent money fighting it saying it was the feds encroaching on states rights and forcing states to pay for a federal program), until they weren't (now they say states aren't doing enough to support NICS).


They've been doing this shit for 100 nearly 100 years.
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In the 1920s, the National Revolver Association, the arm of the NRA responsible for handgun training, proposed regulations later adopted by nine states, requiring a permit to carry a concealed weapon, five years additional prison time if the gun was used in a crime, a ban on gun sales to non-citizens, a one day waiting period between the purchase and receipt of a gun, and that records of gun sales be made available to police.

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“I have never believed in the general practice of carrying weapons. I do not believe in the general promiscuous toting of guns. I think it should be sharply restricted and only under licenses.”
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“We do not think that any sane American, who calls himself an American, can object to placing into this bill the instrument which killed the president of the United States.”
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The NRA also supported California’s Mulford Act of 1967, which had banned carrying loaded weapons in public in response to the Black Panther Party’s impromptu march on the State Capitol to protest gun control legislation on May 2, 1967.

In '68 they helped draft the GCA. They managed to keep the national registry out of the law, but as for the rest of it:
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- Franklin Orth
That comic that has the cake representing gun rights, and the pieces keep getting smaller and smaller - the NRA is like a moderator in that situation saying, "Hey now, play nice, just a little more and they'll go away!."



I wouldn't say I'm salty though - it doesn't keep me up at night because I can't change it.

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Old 04-24-2018, 08:08 AM   #29
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So you're saying they never really did offer the alternative program that you originally said they offered? The deletion makes sense now...

And the cake meme you're using as evidence fails to note one point. As technology advances there are new "cakes baked"...I'll bake a cake every now and then to throw to the other side if it keeps them away from the cake I really want.
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Old 04-24-2018, 08:24 AM   #30
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NRA cares about money and pretends to be pro-2A.

That being said, I'm not a big fan of companies that grand stand, and it would also seem that Yeti predominately sells to people that would be "rah-rah firearms" and don't mind switching brands.
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Old 04-24-2018, 08:44 AM   #31
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Good post Strychnine, I get the same feeling as you: "The NRA really makes me wonder if they really care about 2A rights or if they're just in it for money (let some incremental laws pass, scare the people, get donations, rinse, repeat)."

And really, I get that feeling about most lobby groups. Just like the saying often repeated in condemnation of politicians, they all seem to have the "Never let a crisis / tragedy go to waste" philosophy.

At the same time, they are kind of the "only game in town" when it comes to stuff like this. I used to be a member but intentionally avoided renewal. It kinda gives me the same feeling I had when considering who to vote for in the last (hell, make that last several) elections. Still not sure which is better (to support them or not).

Everyone is selling / marketing something these days, and it's becoming increasingly more difficult to identify those underlying motives.

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That being said, I'm not a big fan of companies that grand stand, and it would also seem that Yeti predominately sells to people that would be "rah-rah firearms" and don't mind switching brands.
Good post also.. We usually line up on stuff like this.
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Old 04-24-2018, 08:48 AM   #32
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So you're saying they never really did offer the alternative program that you originally said they offered? The deletion makes sense now...
Did I ever say that? I sure don't remember it. I said "who cares?" Do you have evidence they didn't offer an alternative? This whole thing isn't even about any discount program. It's about the fact that a private company seemingly had no intentions of making a show out of this, but the NRA decided to speak for them and put words in their mouth. It's corporate bullying.

Pretend I own a business that sells stationery and I give discounts to certain groups... say the SPCA is one of those. One day I decide that maybe those discounts I'm giving to the SPCA don't make sense for me anymore so I send 'em a letter. Is it fair for the SPCA to issue a press release alleging that I hate animals, and that I should be ashamed for damning the future of countless furry little pets and the children who will never be able to play with them?


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And the cake meme you're using as evidence fails to note one point. As technology advances there are new "cakes baked"...I'll bake a cake every now and then to throw to the other side if it keeps them away from the cake I really want.
That doesn't make sense though and that's exactly what will lead us further down the slippery slope. Saying that new technology is ok to be sacrificed is akin to anti-2A groups proclaiming that the founding fathers only had muskets so anything past that is unnecessary and should be illegal.

Out of curiosity, what 'cake' do you really want to save here? Where's your line?



(this is definitely a thread for the political forum now - woops)
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Old 04-24-2018, 08:49 AM   #33
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I initially saw something about this on instagram, as someone was making a big deal about collecting all of their Yeti stuff to shoot it, and how everyone should be buying this 'other' brand because they're 'Made in America and Support the 2A'.

I took that with a grain of salt as it sounded incredibly contrived and the poster came off as a shill for the 'other' cooler company. Can't remember what brand it was, I had not heard of them previously (not RTIC). Which is probably why it came off as a 'guerilla' advertisement, or some form of shady product placement.
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Old 04-24-2018, 09:04 AM   #34
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Did I ever say that? I sure don't remember it. I said "who cares?"......

(this is definitely a thread for the political forum now - woops)
You specifically said it in the post you deleted.

My problem with yeti is the half assed strawman they threw up that apparently worked.

They should have flat out said we stopped the program because it didn't fit out business model, we are very pro 2A.

End of story. Hell maybe even throw out a few free guns.

Instead they threw the stupid customization strawman in there to try and make it out as if they replaced the program when they didn't.

I'm not going to respond to the wall of off topic text except to say that none of you who pretend you will fight back against a tyrannical government will ever do a damn thing. If you want to debate that start a separate thread on that one.
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Old 04-24-2018, 10:31 AM   #35
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Old 04-24-2018, 11:14 AM   #36
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without the nra we would have been disarmed decades ago .
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