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Old 11-13-2010, 02:26 PM   #1
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Default Wayne Madsen: China Fired Missile Seen In Southern California

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November 10, 2010

China flexed its military muscle Monday evening in the skies west of Los Angeles when a Chinese Navy Jin class ballistic missile nuclear submarine, deployed secretly from its underground home base on the south coast of Hainan island, launched an intercontinental ballistic missile from international waters off the southern California coast. WMR’s intelligence sources in Asia, including Japan, say the belief by the military commands in Asia and the intelligence services is that the Chinese decided to demonstrate to the United States its capabilities on the eve of the G-20 Summit in Seoul and the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation summit in Tokyo, where President Obama is scheduled to attend during his ten-day trip to Asia.

he reported Chinese missile test off Los Angeles came as a double blow to Obama. The day after the missile firing, China’s leading credit rating agency, Dagong Global Credit Rating, downgraded sovereign debt rating of the United States to A-plus from AA. The missile demonstration coupled with the downgrading of the United States financial grade represents a military and financial show of force by Beijing to Washington.

The Pentagon spin machine, backed by the media reporters who regularly cover the Defense Department, as well as officials of the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD), and the U.S. Northern Command, is now spinning various conspiracy theories, including describing the missile plume videotaped by KCBS news helicopter cameraman Gil Leyvas at around 5:00 pm Pacific Standard Time, during the height of evening rush hour, as the condensation trail from a jet aircraft. Other Pentagon-inspired cover stories are that the missile was actually an amateur rocket or an optical illusion.

Experts agree that this was a ballistic missile being fired off of Los Angeles. Pentagon insists it was a jet aircraft or model rocket.

There are no records of a plane in the area having taken off from Los Angeles International Airport or from other airports in the region. The Navy and Air Force have said that they were not conducting any missile tests from submarines, ships, or Vandenberg Air Force Base. The Navy has also ruled out an accidental firing from one of its own submarines.

Missile experts, including those from Jane’s in London, say the plume was definitely from a missile, possibly launched from a submarine. WMR has learned that the missile was likely a JL-2 ICBM, which has a range of 7,000 miles, and was fired in a northwesterly direction over the Pacific and away from U.S. territory from a Jin class submarine. The Jin class can carry up to twelve such missiles.

Navy sources have revealed that the missile may have impacted on Chinese territory and that the National Security Agency (NSA) likely posseses intercepts of Chinese telemtry signals during the missile firing and subsequent testing operations.

Japanese and other Asian intelligence agencies believe that a Chinese Jin-class SSBN submarine conducted missile “show of force” in skies west of Los Angeles.

Asian intelligence sources believe the submarine transited from its base on Hainan through South Pacific waters, where U.S. anti-submarine warfare detection capabilities are not as effective as they are in the northern and mid-Pacific, and then transited north to waters off of Los Angeles. The Pentagon, which has spent billions on ballistic missile defense systems, a pet project of former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, is clearly embarrassed over the Chinese show of strength.

Likely route of Jin-class submarine from Hainan base.

The White House also wants to donwplay the missile story before Presidnet Obama meets with his Chinese counterpart in Seoul and Tokyo. According to Japanese intelligence sources, Beijing has been angry over United States and allied naval exercises in the South China and Yellow Seas, in what China considers its sphere of influence, and the missile firing within the view of people in Southern California was a demonstration that China’s navy can also play in waters off the American coast.

For the U.S. Navy, the Chinese show of force is a huge embarassment, especially for the Navy’s Pacific Command in Pearl Harbor, where Japan’s December 7, 1941 attack on the fleet at Pearl Harbor remains a sore subject.

In 2002, national security adviser Condoleezza Rice reportedly scolded visiting Chinese General Xiong Guankai, the deputy chief of staff for intelligence of the People’s Liberation Army, for remarks he allegedly made in 1995 that China would use nuclear weapons on Los Angeles. Xiong denied he made any such comments but the “spin” on the story helped convince Congress to sink billions of additional dollars into ballistic missile defense, sometimes referred to at “Star Wars II.”
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Old 11-13-2010, 02:38 PM   #2
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sounds more plausible than the crap washington is feeding us!
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Old 11-13-2010, 03:14 PM   #3
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Wayne Madsen once claimed Wikileaks was a CIA operation, and that Al-Qaeda was a front for the military-industrial complex..... the guy's a conspiracy theorist...

It's an aircraft contrail.... Explained VERY well here...

http://contrailscience.com/a-problem...-eve-contrail/

Hell, they have it down to 1 of 2 flights that probably made the damn thing....

Trust an ex-Navy guy... Its not a Chinese missile...
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Old 11-13-2010, 03:48 PM   #4
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It was a plane!
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Old 11-14-2010, 12:27 AM   #5
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It was a weather balloon!
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It was swap gas ionizing in the atmosphere!
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Old 11-14-2010, 05:03 AM   #7
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Wayne Madsen once claimed Wikileaks was a CIA operation, and that Al-Qaeda was a front for the military-industrial complex..... the guy's a conspiracy theorist...

It's an aircraft contrail.... Explained VERY well here...

http://contrailscience.com/a-problem...-eve-contrail/

Hell, they have it down to 1 of 2 flights that probably made the damn thing....

Trust an ex-Navy guy... Its not a Chinese missile...
Madsen is an ex-navy guy as well. He's got quite a background in stratigic submarine warfare, not to mention his background working with the NSA and being a senior fellow in EPIC. Unfortunately, his view that the public deserves to know more than his "higher-ups" think, killed his career.
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Old 11-14-2010, 09:31 AM   #8
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Madsen is an ex-navy guy as well. He's got quite a background in stratigic submarine warfare, not to mention his background working with the NSA and being a senior fellow in EPIC. Unfortunately, his view that the public deserves to know more than his "higher-ups" think, killed his career.
Yes, Madsen definitely has some iside info.
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Madsen is an ex-navy guy as well. He's got quite a background in stratigic submarine warfare, not to mention his background working with the NSA and being a senior fellow in EPIC. Unfortunately, his view that the public deserves to know more than his "higher-ups" think, killed his career.

All of the above may well be true.

Doesn't mean he's not dead wrong or a bit of a nut....

I myself have seen launches of several missile types myself... not the same... distance is off... other things as well

The chances of a Chinese diesel boat making it all the way across the Pacific (They have to resurface frequently to recharge their batteries), not be noticed by satellite, SOSUS, or American military traffic... and then launch a missile, not be spotted on radar after the launch, and have NO American military response in the area afterwards? Sorry, Don't buy it...
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Either way, the Chinese win.
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All of the above may well be true.

Doesn't mean he's not dead wrong or a bit of a nut....

I myself have seen launches of several missile types myself... not the same... distance is off... other things as well

The chances of a Chinese diesel boat making it all the way across the Pacific (They have to resurface frequently to recharge their batteries), not be noticed by satellite, SOSUS, or American military traffic... and then launch a missile, not be spotted on radar after the launch, and have NO American military response in the area afterwards? Sorry, Don't buy it...
I'm sure that noisey clunker was noticed and followed all the way.
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I'm sure that noisey clunker was noticed and followed all the way.
If that's the case then we have a lot more problems than a Chinese missile launch....
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If that's the case then we have a lot more problems than a Chinese missile launch....
Absolutely!
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All of the above may well be true.

Doesn't mean he's not dead wrong or a bit of a nut....

I myself have seen launches of several missile types myself... not the same... distance is off... other things as well

The chances of a Chinese diesel boat making it all the way across the Pacific (They have to resurface frequently to recharge their batteries), not be noticed by satellite, SOSUS, or American military traffic... and then launch a missile, not be spotted on radar after the launch, and have NO American military response in the area afterwards? Sorry, Don't buy it...
Not sure where you got this information, but the Jin class is a modern nuclear sub, of which China has at least three. China has had nuclear subs in service since the early 70's, and these new boats are their third generation. The first one in this class sailed in 2004. 12 ballistic missiles each with multiple warheads or a single warhead up to 1000 kiloton. Just for reference, the ones we dropped in japan were 15 kiloton.

Do not make the mistake of thinking China is still some back-woods third world country. They are increasing the size of their blue-water navy yearly.



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It was a jet powered Canadian goose.




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Not sure where you got this information, but the Jin class is a modern nuclear sub, of which China has at least three. China has had nuclear subs in service since the early 70's, and these new boats are their third generation. The first one in this class sailed in 2004. 12 ballistic missiles each with multiple warheads or a single warhead up to 1000 kiloton. Just for reference, the ones we dropped in japan were 15 kiloton.

Do not make the mistake of thinking China is still some back-woods third world country. They are increasing the size of their blue-water navy yearly.



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Thanks for the correction... That's what happens when I don't read all the way through...

Actually, it supports my theory even more...
Nuke boats are generally easier to track via passive sonar than diesels.

In most respects, there is no reason we wouldn't hear them coming by more means than one...

And no, I don't think China is still a back woods country militarily... Hell, they practically own the US in many ways, just not in this one... YET

And actually, the next generation diesel-electric hybrid subs will be quiet and can stay down for much longer periods, so we better keep up with the "Jones's" so to speak... Nukes may not always be the top of the heap in many respects....
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A have a bit of knowledge about nuclear powered submarines myself.

Our ability to track submarines isn't nearly as good as anyone thinks. The ability of other countries to track submarines is just plain laughable.

Once anything is a few hundred feet under the surface of the ocean it is pretty much invisible and gone from the world as far as humans are concerned.

And if that was a jet making a contrail.... it would've made two or three distinct contrails (one for each engine). That is just one single big fat contrail....
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They were filming Iron Man 3.
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It was a figment of our imagination.
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They were filming Iron Man 3.
Iron Man is real... he was on a secret mission. At least get your facts straight...
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