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  • #31
    Originally posted by davbrucas View Post
    More info on the vaccines.

    1. The COVID vaccines are mRNA vaccines. mRNA vaccines are a completely new type of vaccine. No mRNA vaccine has ever been licensed for human use before. In essence, we have absolutely no idea what to expect from this vaccine. We have no idea if it will be effective or safe.
    2. Traditional vaccine simply introduce pieces of a virus to stimulate an immune reaction. The new mRNA vaccine is completely different. It actually injects (transfects) molecules of synthetic genetic material from non-humans sources into our cells. Once in the cells, the genetic material interacts with our transfer RNA (tRNA) to make a foreign protein that supposedly teaches the body to destroy the virus being coded for. Note that these newly created proteins are not regulated by our own DNA, and are thus completely foreign to our cells. What they are fully capable of doing is unknown.
    3. The mRNA molecule is vulnerable to destruction. So, in order to protect the fragile mRNA strands while they are being inserted into our DNA they are coated with PEGylated lipid nanoparticles. This coating hides the mRNA from our immune system which ordinarily would kill any foreign material injected into the body. PEGylated lipid nanoparticles have been used in several different drugs for years. Because of their effect on immune system balance, several studies have shown them to induce allergies and autoimmune diseases. Additionally, PEGylated lipid nanoparticles have been shown to trigger their own immune reactions, and to cause damage to the liver.
    4. These new vaccines are additionally contaminated with aluminum, mercury, and possibly formaldehyde. The manufacturers have not yet disclosed what other toxins they contain.
    5. Since viruses mutate frequently, the chance of any vaccine working for more than a year is unlikely. That is why the flu vaccine changes every year. Last year’s vaccine is no more valuable than last year’s newspaper.
    6. Absolutely no long term safety studies will have been done to ensure that any of these vaccines don’t cause the cancer, seizures, heart disease, allergies, and autoimmune diseases seen with other vaccines. If you ever wanted to be guinea pig for Big Pharma, now is your golden opportunity.
    7. Many experts question whether the mRNA technology is ready for prime time. In November 2020, Dr. Peter Jay Hotez said of the new mRNA vaccines, "I worry about innovation at the expense of practicality because they [the mRNA vaccines] are weighted toward technology platforms that have never made it to licensure before." Dr. Hotez is Professor of Pediatrics and Molecular Virology & Microbiology at Baylor College of Medicine, where he is also Director of the Texas Children’s Hospital Center for Vaccine Development.
    8. Michal Linial, PhD is a Professor of Biochemistry. Because of her research and forecasts on COVID-19, Dr. Linial has been widely quoted in the media. She recently stated, "I won't be taking it [the mRNA vaccine] immediately – probably not for at least the coming year. We have to wait and see whether it really works. We will have a safety profile for only a certain number of months, so if there is a long-term effect after two years, we cannot know."
    9. In November 2020, The Washington Post reported on hesitancy among healthcare professionals in the United States to the mRNA vaccines, citing surveys which reported that: "some did not want to be in the first round, so they could wait and see if there are potential side effects", and that "doctors and nurses want more data before championing vaccines to end the pandemic".
    10. Since the death rate from COVID resumed to the normal flu death rate way back in early September, the pandemic has been over since then. Therefore, at this point in time no vaccine is needed. The current scare tactics regarding "escalating cases" is based on a PCR test that because it exceeds 34 amplifications has a 100% false positive rate unless it is performed between the 3rd and 5th day after the first day of symptoms. It is therefor 100% inaccurate in people with no symptoms. This is well established in the scientific literature.
    11. The other reason you don’t need a vaccine for COVID-19 is that substantial herd immunity has already taken place in the United States. This is the primary reason for the end of the pandemic.
    12. Unfortunately, you cannot completely trust what you hear from the media. They have consistently got it wrong for the past year. Since they are all supported by Big Pharma and the other entities selling the COVID vaccines, they are not going to be fully forthcoming when it comes to mRNA vaccines. Every statement I have made here is fully backed by published scientific references.
    13. I would be very interested to see verification that Bill and Melinda Gates with their entire family including grandchildren, Joe Biden and President Trump and their entire families, and Anthony Fauci and his entire family all get the vaccine.
    14. Anyone who after reading all this still wants to get injected with the mRNA vaccine, should at the very least have their blood checked for COVID-19 antibodies. There is no need for a vaccine in persons already naturally immunized.
    Here's my bottom line: I would much rather get a COVID infection than get a COVID vaccine. That would be safer and more effective. I have had a number of COVID positive flu cases this year. Some were old and had health concerns. Every single one has done really well with natural therapies including ozone therapy and IV vitamin C.. Just because modern medicine has no effective treatment for viral infections, doesn’t mean that there isn’t one.
    Sounds like I won’t be getting no damn vaccine!
    "PSH!!!"

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    • #32
      I dunno, I'm kinda liking the idea of this new untested vaccine... I was promised a zombie apocalypse and this might just deliver on that promise.
      Originally posted by stevo
      Not a good idea to go Tim 'The Toolman' Taylor on the power phallus.

      Stevo

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      • #33
        Would it be safe to say that the vaccine modifies your DNA?

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        • #34
          I did read another article saying this was a new type of vaccine that can cause autoimmune diseases so seeing that from a few sources now. Considering such a high survival rate a questionable vaccine with unknown long term effects is a pass for me.
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          • #35
            Just curious Dave, are those your own thoughts or a copy pasta?

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            • #36
              Interesting numbers.



              Stephanie Tait
              7. Dezember um 21:22 ·
              I don't understand why people seem so incredibly numb to the devastating number of deaths unfolding around us. It has been so wildly disorienting to me. The enormity of this tragedy, juxtaposed with the total lack of public/collective grieving... my brain cannot make sense of it.

              I think it's made me feel even lonelier than the actual isolation has. 😞

              [Image Contents for those using screen readers: A graphic titled "Deadliest Days in American History." The list is as follows:
              1. Galveston Hurricane - 8,000
              2. Antietam - 3,600
              3. September 11, 2001 - 2,977
              4. Last Thursday - 2,861
              5. Last Wednesday - 2,761
              6. Last Tuesday - 2,461
              7. Last Friday - 2,439
              8. Pearl Harbor - 2,403
              At the bottom of the graphic is the reminder, "Wear a mask and avoid gatherings."]

              EDITED on 12/8 TO ADD: Today’s number, 2,622 deaths, just bumped Pearl Harbor from this list.

              5 of the 8 deadliest single days recorded in US history (from a single cause or event) have happened within the last week.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by lowthreeohz View Post
                Just curious Dave, are those your own thoughts or a copy pasta?
                Copy pasta is my guess.

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                • #38
                  @davbrucus your post was an excellent and informative read. What is the opinion of your peers in health care about being used essentially as voluntary or involuntary test subjects for the mass rollout of these vaccines?

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                  • #39
                    i trust the covid numbers about as much as i trust the vote count in penn .

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by line-em-up View Post
                      Interesting numbers.



                      Stephanie Tait
                      7. Dezember um 21:22 ·
                      I don't understand why people seem so incredibly numb to the devastating number of deaths unfolding around us. It has been so wildly disorienting to me. The enormity of this tragedy, juxtaposed with the total lack of public/collective grieving... my brain cannot make sense of it.

                      I think it's made me feel even lonelier than the actual isolation has. 😞

                      [Image Contents for those using screen readers: A graphic titled "Deadliest Days in American History." The list is as follows:
                      1. Galveston Hurricane - 8,000
                      2. Antietam - 3,600
                      3. September 11, 2001 - 2,977
                      4. Last Thursday - 2,861
                      5. Last Wednesday - 2,761
                      6. Last Tuesday - 2,461
                      7. Last Friday - 2,439
                      8. Pearl Harbor - 2,403
                      At the bottom of the graphic is the reminder, "Wear a mask and avoid gatherings."]

                      EDITED on 12/8 TO ADD: Today’s number, 2,622 deaths, just bumped Pearl Harbor from this list.

                      5 of the 8 deadliest single days recorded in US history (from a single cause or event) have happened within the last week.
                      Ummm.... people die every day, for all kinds of reasons.
                      Originally posted by stevo
                      Not a good idea to go Tim 'The Toolman' Taylor on the power phallus.

                      Stevo

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                      • #41
                        Facebook...'nuf said.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by lowthreeohz View Post
                          Just curious Dave, are those your own thoughts or a copy pasta?


                          Copy and paste. But I agree with every point made.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by davbrucas View Post
                            Copy and paste. But I agree with every point made.
                            A lot of doctors do too, but very few will come out and say it do to the current political environment.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by The King View Post
                              Regarding vaccines in general, I have gotten the seasonal flu vaccines over the past 20-25 years with no issues, along with Tdap and shingles. I generally follow the recommendations of my PCP on those. With respect to flu, I haven’t had it that I could tell within the past 30-40 years.
                              While I was a RN I took a flu shot and still got it. I've had it a couple times since, but I'm around a lot of people. You've been blessed for certain.

                              I'll be taking my last passport trip for awhile after Christmas. I'm actually worried with the possible requirements, but I'll wait it out. I was supposed to be in Europe in January

                              One of my closest friends has been in the Philippines for about 5yrs. He's in the states as of a day ago. They are on lock down. Alcohol prohibition, limited travel, hours and times out of home restrictions, etc. Asia is also the first to announce vaccination required travel. It's getting real. Really shitty.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by line-em-up View Post
                                Interesting numbers.

                                A graphic titled "Deadliest Days in American History." The list is as follows:
                                1. Galveston Hurricane - 8,000
                                2. Antietam - 3,600
                                3. September 11, 2001 - 2,977
                                4. Last Thursday - 2,861
                                5. Last Wednesday - 2,761
                                6. Last Tuesday - 2,461
                                7. Last Friday - 2,439
                                8. Pearl Harbor - 2,403
                                At the bottom of the graphic is the reminder, "Wear a mask and avoid gatherings."]

                                EDITED on 12/8 TO ADD: Today’s number, 2,622 deaths, just bumped Pearl Harbor from this list.

                                5 of the 8 deadliest single days recorded in US history (from a single cause or event) have happened within the last week.
                                Not to diminish the loss of life, but based on the average age of a covid death I would assume there is a decent percentage of these people that would have died this year from any disease they contracted. Not sure about currently but early on 42% of the deaths were in nursing homes. The true number to use for an accurate comparison would be the excess daily deaths over a normal years average.

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