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View Poll Results: Where is your line on drawing your weapon on someone?
You even verbally threaten me 3 8.82%
You lay your hands on me 4 11.76%
You present a weapon of some kind 10 29.41%
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Old 02-16-2017, 04:35 PM   #21
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When I feel me or mine are in imminent and serious danger.
This, but as IHaveAMustang stated, be aware of your surroundings so that you avoid it. Mental state color awareness, though I admit I'm not always as aware as I need to be.
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Old 02-16-2017, 06:52 PM   #22
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Start by reading everything you can find on situational awareness and practice it daily. You will soon be able to answer your own question. And as always it depends..... one guy or 5 guys verbally threatening me? You didn't clarify. Are one or more of those guys trying to move behind me? Are my kids with me? They armed? With? Or are we just dealing with the local obnoxious drunk? It's always situational.
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Old 02-16-2017, 07:06 PM   #23
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I'll take an ass whoopn before I pull a gun in someone
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Old 02-16-2017, 07:25 PM   #24
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I'll take an ass whoopn before I pull a gun in someone
Yea, would you risk your significant others life before you pull a gun on someone? You sure they will stop after knocking you down? I'm not willing to risk my life or the lives of the people I care about over an "ass whoopn". If someone means to do me harm I'm not going to risk it on a fist fight. People die that way, and it ain't gonna be me.
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Old 02-16-2017, 07:45 PM   #25
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Brian Harpole with Consolidated training group does a really good force in force intro type carryingxlass that goes into that. He's local to dfw and it's an affordable class. He only instructs because he enjoys it. I don't remember exactly how much but I think it was a full day class with sim rounds included for 150ish
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Old 02-16-2017, 07:55 PM   #26
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I'll take an ass whoopn before I pull a gun in someone
If it were just an ass whipping and I really deserved it, maybe. Otherwise, I'm defending myself however I can.
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Old 02-16-2017, 08:53 PM   #27
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If it were just an ass whipping and I really deserved it, maybe. Otherwise, I'm defending myself however I can.
x2. No way of knowing if they going to give you an honest fight, or beat you half to death then curb stomp your face to finish you off.
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Old 02-16-2017, 09:41 PM   #28
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Let me propose a situation and see how most of you would handle it?
You've been at work late near downtown and get off work a little after midnight and as you're driving home you realize you are almost out of gas..so you stop at the closest 7-11 deep in the hood to get gas (in this case its the 7-11 across from Wynewood shopping center at Illinois and Zang Blvd)..its dark...card reader isn't working at the pump so you go into the store to pay..you notice a crackhead hanging out close to the front of the store but staying out of the view of the store employees by staying out of view behind the brick wall. Crackhead speaks out as you are going in asking for money and you say no and then go in, prepay and come back out. You are the ONLY customer at the gas station. As you walk toward your vehicle you hear footsteps approaching fast from behind you and as you near your vehicle you glance in the side mirror and see said crackhead less than 5 feet from you coming up quickly from behind.
What is your response?
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Let me propose a situation and see how most of you would handle it?
You've been at work late near downtown and get off work a little after midnight and as you're driving home you realize you are almost out of gas..so you stop at the closest 7-11 deep in the hood to get gas (in this case its the 7-11 across from Wynewood shopping center at Illinois and Zang Blvd)..its dark...card reader isn't working at the pump so you go into the store to pay..you notice a crackhead hanging out close to the front of the store but staying out of the view of the store employees by staying out of view behind the brick wall. Crackhead speaks out as you are going in asking for money and you say no and then go in, prepay and come back out. You are the ONLY customer at the gas station. As you walk toward your vehicle you hear footsteps approaching fast from behind you and as you near your vehicle you glance in the side mirror and see said crackhead less than 5 feet from you coming up quickly from behind.
What is your response?
"Boom mah fucka yea"!

Seriously though, this happened to me when I noticed a dude on the side of a QT around 2300 not doing anything while I was walking in. As I walked out toward my car I glanced at him and kept walking as he was on his phone and looking down. As I got out of peripheral of him I heard foot steps behind me so I turn around and all the sudden the dude had an interest in the chain link fence around the new building next door. However my first immediate thought was shit, you're in shorts and sandles with no weapon to protect yourself.

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Yea, would you risk your significant others life before you pull a gun on someone? You sure they will stop after knocking you down? I'm not willing to risk my life or the lives of the people I care about over an "ass whoopn". If someone means to do me harm I'm not going to risk it on a fist fight. People die that way, and it ain't gonna be me.
You can't wait to shoot someone huh? I bet you want to shoot me right now
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Old 02-16-2017, 11:35 PM   #31
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I was having a conversation in this vein a little earlier. Back when I was 16 or 17, me, my mom, and my sister went to look at a car. Some shady little dump of a car lot in mexican town. This place had two entrances, one was a shared driveway with a warehouse out back. The main driveway was blocked by a car that wouldn't start, so we went in the shared entrance and parked behind the car that wouldn't start.

Guy that was showing us the car wouldn't touch it without rubber gloves on, so I am fairly sure that it was stolen. Bout the time we were getting ready to leave, a flatbed wrecker with a fairly new corvette came in the shared driveway, but it couldn't get by our parked car.

This guy came out of the warehouse and was extremely annoyed with us for blocking the path and desperate to get the corvette into his warehouse. We couldn't get out of here because the wrecker was blocking one driveway and the car that wouldn't start was blocking the other.

The wrecker driver was trying to be calm, but warehouse guy started screaming and told the wrecker to run us over if we didn't move. The car lot owner and the wrecker driver pushed the non running car out of the way and we got the fuck out of there.


In my eyes, the warehouse was likely a chop shop and was using the car lot to get rid of the junkier stolen cars. It was a bad situation and I feel lucky to have gotten out of there safely.

Me back then was just trying to get out of there, plus I was too young to have a gun. Me now, I probably would have drawn on him when he lost his shit and threatened to run me over.
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Old 02-17-2017, 06:56 AM   #32
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Let me propose a situation and see how most of you would handle it?
You've been at work late near downtown and get off work a little after midnight and as you're driving home you realize you are almost out of gas..so you stop at the closest 7-11 deep in the hood to get gas (in this case its the 7-11 across from Wynewood shopping center at Illinois and Zang Blvd)..its dark...card reader isn't working at the pump so you go into the store to pay..you notice a crackhead hanging out close to the front of the store but staying out of the view of the store employees by staying out of view behind the brick wall. Crackhead speaks out as you are going in asking for money and you say no and then go in, prepay and come back out. You are the ONLY customer at the gas station. As you walk toward your vehicle you hear footsteps approaching fast from behind you and as you near your vehicle you glance in the side mirror and see said crackhead less than 5 feet from you coming up quickly from behind.
What is your response?
I lived in that hood for 5 years and never had a problem. I see more BS in the burbs. So in your "situation," the correct response is turn around, and yell, "I said no and step the fuck back."

If you ever let anyone that close to you with ill intentions, you're probably fucked anyway. Most crackheads are looking for an easy score. Don't be easy and you won't have problems.

You need to learn to say no in a way with a look on your face that says I will fucking hurt you. It's not being mean. It's a safety thing.

I've seen more shit at gas stations in the burbs then in the OC. OC is safe contrary to the BS rumors. I have more criminal wanna bes in my "good neighborhood." It's because the parents move here wanting better for their kids but the kids don't get it. They just want free shit these days and if they have to steal it that's okay.
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Old 02-17-2017, 07:06 AM   #33
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So in your "situation," the correct response is turn around, and yell, "I said no and step the fuck back."
I was going to comment something along the same lines. Assert imeediate control of the situation by being loud and commanding. I would also assume the "Paul Blart Mall Cop" stance by pushing my left hand out and placing right hand on my pistol ready to draw. Make him know he's about to get into a world of hurt if he doesn't stop.

He keeps coming: Draw and level at chest

He keeps coming after that: Shoot until he is no longer a threat. Then call 911 for PD and Medics
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I was going to comment something along the same lines. Assert imeediate control of the situation by being loud and commanding. I would also assume the "Paul Blart Mall Cop" stance by pushing my left hand out and placing right hand on my pistol ready to draw. Make him know he's about to get into a world of hurt if he doesn't stop.

He keeps coming: Draw and level at chest

He keeps coming after that: Shoot until he is no longer a threat. Then call 911 for PD and Medics
Exactly what I was going to say..

I haven't been in a situation out in public where I felt the need to draw, but it really depends on the situation.

Now, around the house investigating noises or whatnot, my pistol is in my hand. Pointed down with my finger outside of the trigger guard, of course.
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By the way, I remember talking about this kind of thing in my CHL class. The instructor pointed out that drawing your weapon and not aiming it would be considered force, where aiming it would be considered deadly force. (In a general sense, of course, depending on the outside circumstances).
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I've drawn once. I think I've shared the story before but I'll add it here. I was leaving Arby's (insert big Montana joke) on 377 in Keller. Not a bad area, several stores and a quick lube/tire shop surrounding it. As I get to my truck I hear tire squeal and turn to see a very rough looking early 2000 ford torus coming around the corner of the building opposite of designated traffic flow. A black guy yelling with the door already open as the car face my direction. I hop into my truck, grab Gun from console(not allowed to carry at work) and immediately draw on him. By that time he was 10ish feet from me on foot and hits the ground claiming he just wants directions. I tell him I don't know where he's going and can't help, Gun still aimed on him. He jumps in the car and takes off.

Did I have to draw? Maybe not. But there were enough things not right for me to be uncomfortable with what could be about to happen. I don't regret it. I'd do the same today.
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Old 02-17-2017, 10:10 AM   #37
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Exactly what I was going to say..

I haven't been in a situation out in public where I felt the need to draw, but it really depends on the situation.

Now, around the house investigating noises or whatnot, my pistol is in my hand. Pointed down with my finger outside of the trigger guard, of course.
That's very interesting, either I don't recall that from my course, or it wasn't taught.

I'll amend my second step to draw down, the last step is the one I hope to never have to go to.
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You can't wait to shoot someone huh? I bet you want to shoot me right now
I see you're a bit 'tarded so I will refrain from further contact with you. Don't want the 'tard to wear off on me.
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That's very interesting, either I don't recall that from my course, or it wasn't taught.

I'll amend my second step to draw down, the last step is the one I hope to never have to go to.
It wasn't necessarily a part of the curriculum but came up while discussion real life situations.

And I'm sure that would be subject to interpretation of a judge if a precedent hasn't already been set. I doubt it is spelled out that specifically in the law.

Oh wait, quick google:

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Sec. 9.04. THREATS AS JUSTIFIABLE FORCE. The threat of force is justified when the use of force is justified by this chapter. For purposes of this section, a threat to cause death or serious bodily injury by the production of a weapon or otherwise, as long as the actor's purpose is limited to creating an apprehension that he will use deadly force if necessary, does not constitute the use of deadly force.
http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.u...E/htm/PE.9.htm

I'm sure there is more detail, and I am definitely not a lawyer..
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I see you're a bit 'tarded so I will refrain from further contact with you. Don't want the 'tard to wear off on me.
Calling someone retarded is very politically incorrect, exactly the type of response I expect out of a gun touting lunatic like yourself
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