DFW Mustangs    

Go Back   DFW Mustangs > General > The Armory

The Armory The definitive firearms forum of DFW Mustangs.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 02-15-2017, 09:47 PM   #1
Jose
Lifer
 
Jose's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2000
Posts: 47,591
Default Argument points regarding an 80% AR15 build

So I'm having a debate with someone regarding an 80% build. I'm obviously pro gun, the other person not so.

His argument is that there is absolutely no reason that the 80% builds should be legal and that it makes it entirely to easy for criminals to have access to "untraceable" firearms and he considers this a safety issue for citizens.

My idea is that this is not a means that most criminals will use to obtain a firearm and that most criminals would more than likely obtain firearms illegal either by theft, straw purchases, or buying it from an individual.

I honestly don't know what the percentage of criminals use firearms obtained through an 80% build to commit crimes but my thinking is that it is low. Any idea what the stats are? Or what you think they are?

I have sorta looked into what it takes to build an 80% AR15 but haven't pursued it any further than that because I have none of the equipment that I am aware of that it takes to build one; namely a drill press and the jig. Is it really that easy to build one? I'm talking about the laymen who has no firearm building experience.

The person I'm debating this with thinks it's pretty easy based on a video he saw of a retired ATF agent building one. I haven't seen this video but I'm guessing it was heavily edited to show a certain point of view.

Anyway I'm kinda curious what you guys think about this and also looking for some good points I could bring up.
Jose is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-15-2017, 09:55 PM   #2
Chas_svo
86 SVO 344rwhp 'n gaining
VIP Member
 
Chas_svo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Driving the car that just passed you...
Posts: 4,077
Default

Has any AR that started at 80% every been used in a crime? Sounds like they are trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist.

Tell them to just buy a ghost gun.
__________________
13 DIB Premium GT, M6, Track Pack, Glass Roof, Nav, Recaros - Daily
86 SVO
'03 F150 supercrew
01 TJ - new toy (gone)
65 F100 (460 + C6) - Sold, 3/21/13
Chas_svo is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-15-2017, 10:09 PM   #3
Buick355
Lifer
 
Buick355's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Posts: 17,398
Default

It's just as easy to start with 0%. There are CAD models all over the internet for lowers. Criminals aren't going to go through the trouble of machining shit and building an AR. It wold be a lot easier to buy one privately. If the seller requires an ID (like they should) Mr criminal can show a fake ID. Then grind serial number off.
Buick355 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-15-2017, 11:06 PM   #4
svauto-erotic855
Lifer
 
svauto-erotic855's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 5,039
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chas_svo View Post
Has any AR that started at 80% every been used in a crime? Sounds like they are trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist.

Tell them to just buy a ghost gun.
A mass shooter in CA used a home built AR using an 80 percent lower a few years ago.
__________________
Magnus, I am your father. You need to ask your mother about a man named Calvin Klein.
svauto-erotic855 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-15-2017, 11:59 PM   #5
KBScobravert
Lifer
VIP Member
 
KBScobravert's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Niger
Posts: 13,873
Default

I've done an 80%. I bought a billet lower, the best jig I could find, the most expensive bits and the hand router they recommend. I went slow. I measured carefully and took my time. It looks like shit. I haven't assembled it with a lower parts kit yet but it should hold a drop in trigger and all the other necessary parts. It won't win any beauty pageants but should work. Maybe my second attempt will turn out better.

That said, any build a bomb easier than building an off the books AR lower.
__________________
Fuck you. We're going to Costco.
KBScobravert is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-16-2017, 08:12 AM   #6
Gargamel
Eating Smurfette Since 07
 
Gargamel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 2,410
Default

LMAO at people think that it requires degrees in engineering and metallurgy to build something that will propel an object fast enough to hurt\kill someone. The whole ban\registration crap for simple semi-auto firearms is stupid to begin with.

As far as the standard "criminal" who gets a gun, why would they take the time\effort to screw with an 80% lower?

The normal low level thug will get one via black market or steal one to suit his needs.
__________________
Gargamel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-16-2017, 03:23 PM   #7
garycrist
garycrist
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Anna
Posts: 898
Default

I love how "some of those people" will always have a "but the
criminal could, blah, blah, blah, for the children". Don't the
criminals just drive away the anti-everything's pick-up truck?
The one that he left his keys in. Now the crooks drive through
the gun store and steal 50 guns! Why dick with it when AR's
can be stolen from 7/11
garycrist is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-16-2017, 04:07 PM   #8
Gasser64
Lifer
 
Gasser64's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 1,808
Default

But the criminal could also sharpen a stick he picked up off the ground. What then? Or he could go high tech and get a sling shot. You could kill lots of people with a slingshot before you were caught. Its even pretty quiet too.

Point is it doesn't matter what argument you make, these types of people know only fear and submission.
__________________
WAAAHH HA HA HA HAAAA!!!
Gasser64 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-16-2017, 05:38 PM   #9
DON SVO
The Bad
VIP Member
 
DON SVO's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Post Production Screening Room
Posts: 22,818
Default

The argument baffles me. You don't have to register a gun once you buy it. Rifles in most states and F2F transactions don't require a background check. 99% of mass shooters kill themselves or keep going until LEO/armed citizen does it for them, so who fucking cares who's name the gun is registered in?
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by PGreenCobra
I can't get over the fact that you get to go live the rest of your life, knowing that someone made a Halloween costume out of you. LMAO!!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Trip McNeely
Quote:
Originally Posted by dsrtuckteezy
dont downshift!!
Go do a whooly in front of a Peterbilt.
DON SVO is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-16-2017, 06:45 PM   #10
AnthonyS
Lifer
VIP Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 2,480
Default

Tell this moron that we should ban water in order to stop all the senseless drownings. Fuck libtards. Let's ban food to stop obesity and heart disease too. Maybe we should ban cars, buses, boats, trucks, and airplanes too!!!! Imagine all the little cars we could save.
AnthonyS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-16-2017, 08:13 PM   #11
Nash B.
Lifer
 
Nash B.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 39,805
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DON SVO View Post
The argument baffles me. You don't have to register a gun once you buy it. Rifles in most states and F2F transactions don't require a background check. 99% of mass shooters kill themselves or keep going until LEO/armed citizen does it for them, so who fucking cares who's name the gun is registered in?
The only rifle I've bought was my 10/22 many years ago but I'm pretty sure I had to fill out a 4473 and they would've done a NICS check if I hadn't had a CHL
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Broncojohnny
HOORAY ME and FUCK YOU!
Nash B. is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-16-2017, 08:34 PM   #12
DON SVO
The Bad
VIP Member
 
DON SVO's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Post Production Screening Room
Posts: 22,818
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nash B. View Post
The only rifle I've bought was my 10/22 many years ago but I'm pretty sure I had to fill out a 4473 and they would've done a NICS check if I hadn't had a CHL
I should have clarified and said after first sale, as in a gun show type purchase.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by PGreenCobra
I can't get over the fact that you get to go live the rest of your life, knowing that someone made a Halloween costume out of you. LMAO!!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Trip McNeely
Quote:
Originally Posted by dsrtuckteezy
dont downshift!!
Go do a whooly in front of a Peterbilt.
DON SVO is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2017, 06:29 AM   #13
svauto-erotic855
Lifer
 
svauto-erotic855's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 5,039
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DON SVO View Post
The argument baffles me. You don't have to register a gun once you buy it. Rifles in most states and F2F transactions don't require a background check. 99% of mass shooters kill themselves or keep going until LEO/armed citizen does it for them, so who fucking cares who's name the gun is registered in?
When dealing with liberals the issue being argued is never the actual issue. They want guns out of the hands of everyone except government. To do that they have to know that a gun exist and who the gun owners are. The push for universal background checks is a first steep on a very long path to a total ban on private gun ownership. People being able to make their own guns without the government ever know about it throws a huge wrench into their plans.

They desperately want private gun ownership gone and they see that goal as becoming an unreachable one and are starting to freak out about it.
__________________
Magnus, I am your father. You need to ask your mother about a man named Calvin Klein.
svauto-erotic855 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2017, 06:48 AM   #14
YALE
Lifer
VIP Member
 
YALE's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Qin
Posts: 30,190
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nash B. View Post
The only rifle I've bought was my 10/22 many years ago but I'm pretty sure I had to fill out a 4473 and they would've done a NICS check if I hadn't had a CHL
You still didn't register it.
__________________
ZOMBIE REAGAN FOR PRESIDENT 2016!!! heh
YALE is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2017, 07:50 AM   #15
Gasser64
Lifer
 
Gasser64's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 1,808
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by svauto-erotic855 View Post
When dealing with liberals the issue being argued is never the actual issue.
Truth

Quote:
Originally Posted by svauto-erotic855 View Post
They desperately want private gun ownership gone and they see that goal as becoming an unreachable one and are starting to freak out about it.

That is because if they can't get it, their extremely ill conceived fantasy utopia can never come true, and indeed never would have. It was beaten before it ever started. Which is great, since we all know its just the 1984 distopia. Reasons such as this is why I think that all we have to do is hold out against them for just another decade or two (perhaps 3) and they're finished. There is no question that technology, if allowed to flourish in a free market, is going to kill any and all of their arguments.
__________________
WAAAHH HA HA HA HAAAA!!!
Gasser64 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2017, 02:46 PM   #16
Nash B.
Lifer
 
Nash B.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 39,805
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by YALE View Post
You still didn't register it.
I know that, fool. I was just addressing the background check part.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Broncojohnny
HOORAY ME and FUCK YOU!
Nash B. is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 04-19-2017, 07:16 AM   #17
svauto-erotic855
Lifer
 
svauto-erotic855's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 5,039
Default

The inventor of the AR-15 was Satan, though his patent has since expired.

Scientists have confirmed the deadly effects of an AR-15 by giving it to a chimpanzee who then murdered them.

Scientists agree that each year the AR-15 will grow more deadly until it kills everyone in the entire world.

Some believe that both Hitler and Stalin were, in fact, AR-15s in rubber masks.

In the Garden of Eden, God gave Adam and Eve access to every firearm out there except for the AR-15 which he told them not to touch because it was too evil. But then the NRA, in the guise of a serpent, told Eve that the AR-15 is really fun to shoot. So then Eve took the AR-15 and started shooting all the animals in the garden because she is one awesome chick.

The part that makes the AR-15 so extra deadly is the handle on top. The AR-15 would be used in less murders if it were more inconvenient to carry. The reason AR-15s have that prominent handle on them is because the most requested feature for an assault rifle was to be able to carry it like a Hello Kitty lunch box.

It was an AR-15 that told Miley Cyrus to dance like that.

Bullets that are normally harmless will kill instantly when fired out of the AR-15.

If you find yourself surrounded by AR-15s, know that they will fire automatically if they sense fear.

The AR-15 is easily concealable and can fit inside a matchbox.

The AR-15 is the leading cause of global warming from how its bullets shoot holes in the ozone.

A very small percentage of gun deaths are attributed to the AR-15 because it is very good at disguising itself as other guns to frame them.

What are the differences between an M16 and an AR-15? Scientists agree that it is something.

The AR-15 can be rendered harmless by giving it only a 10 round magazine as people always miss with the first ten rounds and an AR-15 takes an hour and a half to reload.

The AR-15 can shoot through schools.

In a battle between Aquaman and an AR-15, Aquaman would break down and buy it so people might think he’s more manly.

There were no shooting deaths until the invention of an AR-15. No one even considered using a gun to shoot another human being until someone saw an AR-15 and said, “I bet I could use this to kill a lot of people.”

There was an assault musket similar to the AR-15 used by the world’s most evil pirates, but it was pronounced “Arrr-15.”

The Assault Weapon ban was needed because it is well known that an AR-15 with both a pistol grip and a flash suppressor would be unstoppable by any modern military.

In Europe there is no such thing as an AR-15 and thus also no such thing as murders. Instead of being violent, people there just drink wine and smoke cigarettes all day.

If you are shot by an AR-15, you become one and kill others.

The AR-15 is responsible for 95% of all deaths each year. The rest of the deaths are from obesity and drone strikes.

Both of the atomic bombs dropped on Japan, Fat Man and Little Boy, are jealous of the destructive power of the AR-15.

Abraham Lincoln said the AR-15 is the finest battle implement ever devised.

Viagra is made from ground up AR-15 parts.
__________________
Magnus, I am your father. You need to ask your mother about a man named Calvin Klein.
svauto-erotic855 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 09:14 PM.



Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.