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Old 11-08-2018, 10:48 AM   #21
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I am outside of LA and all they are talking about is gun bans. The former FBI agent they are interviewing it a toolbag throwing out nothing but bait words and propaganda. The shooter was a former Marine and white.
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Old 11-08-2018, 10:49 AM   #22
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As long as the victims were all liberals, then he did us a favor. Getting a jump start on the civil war.

EDIT: Crap, should have know. Another liberal nut job killing republicans. All the media will point out is that he was a white male.

I don't know how many of y'all know Adam Cox from defensiveimpact.com but he grew up in Northern California and his words to me where this; once you get about 25 miles Inland in California it's a red state
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Old 11-08-2018, 10:56 AM   #23
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Old 11-08-2018, 10:58 AM   #24
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That has been a personality trait of mass shooters in the past...
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Old 11-08-2018, 11:17 AM   #25
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Just laying this out


We are not in a civil war, people. We may very well be heading toward it, but we are not there yet. I understand the sentiment and the anger, but it is not the time - and hopefully it never will be - for us to become the monster to defeat the monster.


In my mind, presently, we are in a "Cold War". The "battles" we sre fighting are for the opinions and beliefs of the 60%-80% of people in the country who don't look at politics and form their opinions based on little information and the general sentiment of the people around them. They will be the "Tail" for any "Tooth" in any "Hot war" to come.

Any violence that is not committed in the act of defense, only serves to lose the general sentiment of the vast majority of the country and, if there is to be a "war", be it of the ballot box or the cartridge box variety - we will win or lose based on the will of these people.

Armies march on their stomachs, and they need the cooks.

We are not and cannot be the aggressors in this stage of things. When attacked, we point it out - LOUD and OFTEN. We show them who the aggressors are, and show that the victims are us.

We defend ourselves, of course, but any violence MUST be in defense. I know it cedes First Mover Advantage to the opposition, and in war that is unacceptable. In the run up to war however it is absolutely necessary.

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Old 11-08-2018, 11:26 AM   #26
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Old 11-08-2018, 11:32 AM   #27
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I don't know how many of y'all know Adam Cox from defensiveimpact.com but he grew up in Northern California and his words to me where this; once you get about 25 miles Inland in California it's a red state
I heard Nor Cal is red, south is Blue, I think this goes for political and for gangs...
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Old 11-08-2018, 11:57 AM   #28
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Thanks for trying to help us keep focus on what our objectives should be. You're right. We need to be defensive in nature, but I think if we keep waiting on them to push too far, they will gently nudge us over the edge of the cliff and we won't realize it until it's too late. Perhaps now isn't the time. Especially when we are making progress with our government, but they need to stop all of these future dem voters from moving in.

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Just laying this out


We are not in a civil war, people. We may very well be heading toward it, but we are not there yet. I understand the sentiment and the anger, but it is not the time - and hopefully it never will be - for us to become the monster to defeat the monster.


In my mind, presently, we are in a "Cold War". The "battles" we sre fighting are for the opinions and beliefs of the 60%-80% of people in the country who don't look at politics and form their opinions based on little information and the general sentiment of the people around them. They will be the "Tail" for any "Tooth" in any "Hot war" to come.

Any violence that is not committed in the act of defense, only serves to lose the general sentiment of the vast majority of the country and, if there is to be a "war", be it of the ballot box or the cartridge box variety - we will win or lose based on the will of these people.

Armies march on their stomachs, and they need the cooks.

We are not and cannot be the aggressors in this stage of things. When attacked, we point it out - LOUD and OFTEN. We show them who the aggressors are, and show that the victims are us.

We defend ourselves, of course, but any violence MUST be in defense. I know it cedes First Mover Advantage to the opposition, and in war that is unacceptable. In the run up to war however it is absolutely necessary.

/soapbox rant

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Old 11-08-2018, 12:04 PM   #29
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I don't know about Cali's laws, but wouldn't that be a gun-free zone due to most likely 51% of revenue being alcohol?
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Old 11-08-2018, 12:26 PM   #30
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I don't know about Cali's laws, but wouldn't that be a gun-free zone due to most likely 51% of revenue being alcohol?
Gun laws vary from state to state regarding bars and alcohol but it is generally accepted that guns are not allowed in "bars"...the wording is different but usually any place that gets more revenue from alcohol sales than food is considered a no-no for guns. That said....if your comment is heading in the direction of the shooter shouldn't have had a gun in a 51% establishment...get bent. The law wouldn't have prevented this in ANY bar in any state. Just like in Florida...shooter goes in hiding a gun...then opens fire on the security first...to stop anyone from getting in his way. The guy was on the radar of law enforcement and yet he pulled this off. Why? Same as the shooter in the church in Texas. Same as in the shooter in Florida. WHY are these people "under the radar" by law enforcement but yet able to do this time and time again? Obviously banning guns won't stop crazy people from killing. More gun laws won't change a goddamn thing.
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Gun laws vary from state to state regarding bars and alcohol but it is generally accepted that guns are not allowed in "bars"...the wording is different but usually any place that gets more revenue from alcohol sales than food is considered a no-no for guns. That said....if your comment is heading in the direction of the shooter shouldn't have had a gun in a 51% establishment...get bent. The law wouldn't have prevented this in ANY bar in any state. Just like in Florida...shooter goes in hiding a gun...then opens fire on the security first...to stop anyone from getting in his way. The guy was on the radar of law enforcement and yet he pulled this off. Why? Same as the shooter in the church in Texas. Same as in the shooter in Florida. WHY are these people "under the radar" by law enforcement but yet able to do this time and time again? Obviously banning guns won't stop crazy people from killing. More gun laws won't change a goddamn thing.

Thanks for assuming that I was going in a certain direction, you yourself may now get bent.

I was merely asking because of the type of clientele that would be attending such a place, country style folks who would be armed "normally", could have possibly put a stop to this. But I don't know if this establishment was one of those kinds of places that prohibited CC holders or not.

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Old 11-08-2018, 03:06 PM   #32
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Thanks for assuming that I was going in a certain direction, you yourself may now get bent.

I was merely asking because of the type of clientele that would be attending such a place, country style folks who would be armed "normally", could have possibly put a stop to this. But I don't know if this establishment was one of those kinds of places that prohibited CC holders or not.

Calm down.
I think you missed the qualifier "if" in his post.

Calm your tits.
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Old 11-08-2018, 03:28 PM   #33
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I think you missed the qualifier "if" in his post.

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Old 11-08-2018, 05:15 PM   #34
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I don't know about Cali's laws, but wouldn't that be a gun-free zone due to most likely 51% of revenue being alcohol?
It's illegal to conceal/open carry in public period much less a bar or possessing a high capacity magazineclip. California has the strictest gun laws in the nation.
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I think you missed the qualifier "if" in his post.

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