Gov. Brown signs law requiring registration of homemade guns

[Jimbo]

http://www.latimes.com/politics/essential/la-pol-sac-essential-politics-updates-gov-brown-signs-law-requiring-1469213082-htmlstory.html

Californians who assemble their own weapons from parts they've bought or gathered will have to apply for a state-issued serial number under a law signed Friday by Gov. Jerry Brown.

Brown signed Assembly Bill 857, which imposes a new mandate on anyone who buys components that can be made into a fully functional firearm. Those weapons are not currently traceable in the same way as buying a fully operating firearm.

Democrats pushed through the bill last month as part of a sweeping package of proposals inspired by recent shootings. Several of those bills, including an effort to impose new rules on the purchase and use of ammunition, were signed by Brown earlier this month and are now the focus of an effort to overturn them by a statewide ballot referendum.

[Jimbo]

I'm guessing it was part of his recent plans:

http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article88521977.html

Here are answers to some of the more common questions and concerns that arose in interviews with gun owners.

Q: Do I have to get a permit to buy ammunition?

A: No. But under Senate Bill 1235 as of July 2019 you will need to pass a background check, which involves the vendor running your information through a California Department of Justice system to see if you are prohibited from owning guns (for example, because of a violent felony). If not, you should be clear to buy.

Q: What if I go hunting across state lines and buy ammo there?

A: Let’s say you travel to Oregon for some duck hunting and buy boxes of ammunition while outside of California. You can bring at most 50 rounds back in to the state. Any more than that and you could be hit with a misdemeanor.

Q: Who’s going to enforce that?

A: The same law enforcement agencies like sheriffs, police officers and Department of Justice agents who already enforce gun laws. For example, the department already works to intercept people who cannot own guns in California but try to get them across the border from other states.

Hunters might already be familiar with Department of Agriculture border checkpoints, which exist to ensure people aren’t bringing banned fruit and vegetables, illegally poached game or out-of-state afflictions like chronic wasting disease into California. There is no plan to set up new checkpoints to check whether people are bringing ammunition, but people could face questions about ammo at the agricultural stops.

If you are purchasing ammunition in California, going hunting in another state and then returning with more than 50 rounds, keep a record of the sale to establish it’s on the level.

Q: Can I give or sell my friends and family excess ammunition?

A: You can sell up to 50 rounds a month directly to immediate relatives and give as much as you want to friends or family. You cannot sell to a friend unless the transaction goes through a licensed ammunition dealer or you both are licensed hunters out on a hunt and you don’t sell more than 50 rounds a month.

Q: I own a gun with a detachable magazine. Am I breaking the law?

A: Two bills, Senate Bill 880 and Assembly Bill 1135, sought to close what law enforcement groups and gun control advocates call the “bullet-button” loophole. California law already prohibited assault weapons, defined as those with magazines that can be detached without disassembling the gun or using a tool.

But some gun owners reacted to that by employing so-called “bullet-button” devices that can quickly release spent magazines without running afoul of the ban, seeing as they allow users to eject magazines using tools like another magazine.

The new laws would, as of the start of 2017, ban the sale of semi-automatic, centerfire rifles or semi-automatic pistols that do not have a fixed magazine and also have one from a list of specific design features.

Q: So if I have an old gun that fits that definition, do I have to get rid of it?

A: Not if you bought it between 2001 and 2016. But you will need to register it with the California Department of Justice by the start of 2018. You can find a form online at https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/forms, and it should cost at most $20.

Both under the old and the new definition, to be banned for sale guns also need to have a characteristic from a list that includes things like a protruding pistol grip, a thumbhole stock, a folding stock, a flash suppressor or a grenade launcher. In other words, what are often referred to as “military-style” features.

So guns like hunting rifles with detachable magazines won’t necessarily be banned, as long as they don’t have one of those “military-style” design features the state uses to define assault weapons.

Q: My dad owns a semi-automatic with a detachable magazine that fits the new definition of an assault weapon. Will I be able to inherit it when he dies or buy it from him?

A: No. Unless he modifies the gun so it’s not longer classified as an assault weapon, that now counts as an illegal sale or transfer.

Q: My hunting company regularly lends customers guns. Is that now illegal?

A: No. Assembly Bill 1511 cracks down on loaning guns, with advocates arguing the practice serves to skirt background check requirements.

But an existing exemption for hunters remains in place, so hunting guides can still lend their customers firearms as part of their businesses if those customers have hunting licenses and only use the guns during the established hunting season.

Family members can lend one another guns provided it doesn’t happen that often: less than six times a year for handguns and, for other guns, if it’s “occasional and without regularity.”

Outside of that, you won’t be able to loan guns to others starting in January 2017.

Q: Some of the guns I use take magazines that carry more than 10 rounds. What do I do with them?

A: Senate Bill 1446 prohibits the possession of magazines that can hold more than 10 rounds as of July 2017. That expands on an existing state law barring the sale and import of such magazines.

So you might need to get rid of old high-volume magazines by destroying them, selling them to licensed gun dealers or handing them in to law enforcement. But, as with the bullet-button bills, there are some exceptions written in.

If you own a gun that only takes such large-capacity magazines, and bought it before the start of 2000, you can keep the magazines that go with it provided you only use them for that gun.

Q: I’m a competitive shooter and use guns with large-capacity magazines. Can I continue practicing my sport in California?

A: Some shooting competitions use guns that accept magazines larger than those California now prohibits. Participants have been able to get around that until now provided their magazines are old enough that they didn’t buy them before California outlawed sales of such magazines.

But now, if your gun can take a lower-capacity magazine, you have to use it while in California

Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-...#storylink=cpy

[LS1Goat]

It's California.

I can't imagine having to get a background check to buy ammo. The only thing these new gun laws will do is frustrate and inconvenience law abiding citizens. I guess they'll have wait to 2019 to find out what places like Chicago are already painfully aware.

[svauto-erotic855]

I am sure that people are lining up to get into compliance with the new law.

I have friends out there that are police officers who have home built guns and I doubt that even one of them will register their guns.

[svauto-erotic855]

It's California.

I can't imagine having to get a background check to buy ammo. The only thing these new gun laws will do is frustrate and inconvenience law abiding citizens. I guess they'll have wait to 2019 to find out what places like Chicago are already painfully aware.

They used to require logging ammo sales but after doing it since 1968 the ATF said that it was pointless so they gave it up around 1986. Just wait until they try passing a federal FOID law.

[DON SVO]

The new laws would, as of the start of 2017, ban the sale of semi-automatic, centerfire rifles or semi-automatic pistols that do not have a fixed magazine and also have one from a list of specific design features.

http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-...e88521977.html

That's absolutely terrifying.

[SBFORDTECH]

That's absolutely terrifying.

They are slowly but surely going to make everyone a criminal.

[helosailor]

Fuck California.

Good thing a LOT of LEOs are saying that they will not enforce any part of the new laws. They know it's all a bunch of bullshit.

[aggie97]

Pretty soon the criminals will all have semi-autos and citizens will be left with 6 shot revolvers....or they will just leave the state and Kali will be left to the hood rats and gangbangers! LOL!

[helosailor]

Pretty soon the criminals will all have semi-autos and citizens will be left with 6 shot revolvers....or they will just leave the state and Kali will be left to the Democrat voters! LOL!

ftfy

[Gargamel]

Seriously.... F*** California and its far left bullcrap

When it all starts imploding I'm sure that whoever is left in charge will make sure to pull everyone over at the border to check receipts and count ammo. Lol

[LANTIRN]

Seriously.... F*** California and its far left bullcrap

When it all starts imploding I'm sure that whoever is left in charge will make sure to pull everyone over at the border to check receipts and count ammo. Lol

That is the only way to enforce that ammo law. Most Californians are within a few hours drive of Arizona, Nevada, and Oregon and I am sure there will be a lot of Saturday day trips ammo runs going on. I know that is what I would be doing if I lived in Cali. No, wait. If I lived in Cali I would have moved a long time ago.

[helosailor]

Seriously.... F*** California and its far left bullcrap

When it all starts imploding I'm sure that whoever is left in charge will make sure to pull everyone over at the border to check receipts and count ammo. Lol

That is the only way to enforce that ammo law. Most Californians are within a few hours drive of Arizona, Nevada, and Oregon and I am sure there will be a lot of Saturday day trips ammo runs going on. I know that is what I would be doing if I lived in Cali. No, wait. If I lived in Cali I would have moved a long time ago.

Like I said before, a lot (most likely the majority) of LEOs have pledged to not enforce any of this latest nonsense, because they see it for exactly that.

[LANTIRN]

Like I said before, a lot (most likely the majority) of LEOs have pledged to not enforce any of this latest nonsense, because they see it for exactly that.

Got links? Would like to read that.

[helosailor]

Got links? Would like to read that.

No links. Just been talking to some friends in that line of work out there, and they said that there is a large, somewhat underground movement of LEOs within the state that are pledging not to go full retard with the new laws. They're deliberately trying to keep it quiet, because they're concerned that it might lead to mass firings, or something along those lines.