Cops upset about being treated like citizens

[Sean88gt]

Good post Danny.

[Forever_frost]

Sounds like your just a cop hater and maybe got to many tickets so now all cops are bad. Cry me a river. You are in such the minority of the population that it doesnt matter what you think cause it will never change. You don't even sound rational.

#you're

I've never gotten a ticket. I merely have seen how we are forced to treat people of other countries versus how police treat citizens here. Iraqis and Afghanis have more protections from us than we do from police.

[Forever_frost]

We work 12 hour shifts and get a 40 minute lunch. We are still available to take calls on lunch so why would I put my gun away? Don't get me wrong, if I was asked to leave, I would pay may check, and leave, no biggie. This whole article just sounds stupid. Most places love the fact that we eat there. Hell my old IHOP would beg us to eat there on the weekends when all the drunks roll in. I wouldn't even hold a grudge, I just wouldn't go up there when that manager was there. It would be like one of you guys thinking all cops are stupid because of a few (never happens right?) I would still not hesitate to go and help that manager. Some people are strange what can I say. There are people that go out of their way to call in on police for all sorts of things with out having a clue. Hell who knows maybe the person that complained saw the gun only and not the badge. Forrest your title for this could have been a little better and you are stretching it a bit. It is the first one I have seen you post in a while so you get a pass today................now go put your hat back on.

See Jason, that mindset isn't the issue. The fact that these cops were asked to disarm and leave and made a fuss and issued a press release IS. If a citizen had thrown a fit, cops would have been called and they'd be escorted out with shiny cuffs

[Forever_frost]

Normally I'm on your side man, but this is a little far fetched. Even in the Army I know you stopped for chow.

We stopped for chow but weren't allowed to have loaded weapons in the chow hall and now, you're not allowed to carry your weapons around the chow hall. If they'd like to place one to go order and leave one officer in the car with the weapons like we do, then this wouldn't be a problem

[Forever_frost]

What law says guns arent allowed in Dennys....so hows that not subject to same laws?

Just like you said, police are to protect others. Therefore someone there to only protect themselves, isnt covered under the same duties as a police officer whos duty it is to protect everyone.

More than likely, that'd be the 30-06 sign on the door that states firearms are not permitted. I could argue me carrying in there protects everyone there as well as I'm highly trained (far more than a cop generally is) on active shooter situations and have a higher accuracy rate than the average cop on the beat who doesn't qualify with his weapon but when required. I'm more than willing to put my reflexes against a cop on an active shooter.

So, you and me, sit in a restaurant and have someone walk in with a paintball marker or simunition. See who gets a 'kill' first

[DallasSleeper]

More than likely, that'd be the 30-06 sign on the door that states firearms are not permitted. I could argue me carrying in there protects everyone there as well as I'm highly trained (far more than a cop generally is) on active shooter situations and have a higher accuracy rate than the average cop on the beat who doesn't qualify with his weapon but when required. I'm more than willing to put my reflexes against a cop on an active shooter.

So, you and me, sit in a restaurant and have someone walk in with a paintball marker or simunition. See who gets a 'kill' first

a 30-06 sign would be invalid there AND H.R 218 says they can carry anywhere except airports and federal buildings, a 30-06 even if valid at that location would not apply to them

but like was previously stated the restaurant has every right to refuse service to anyone, but asking them to leave or take their guns outside is not a legal request

[Forever_frost]

He asked how it'd be illegal to carry there. That sign makes it illegal to carry there. Cops need to start abiding by the same laws we do. And if you're asked to leave, fucking leave. Yes, asking them to leave is a legal request. You're the owner, they're there as customers. You can tell them to fuck off

[Pokulski-Blatz]

No, their badge doesn't make them special. It makes them a servant of the public. They should be the first to leave guns in their car, afterall they are subject ot the same laws as we, are they not? And cops want to present a comfortable environoment for those around them and those evil guns. What if one of them snaps and goes on a shooting spree? Who will stop him?

Point is: If a citizen isn't allowed to exercise their rights and protect themselves there, cops should obey the same law. I know personally, I trust soldiers in uniform having a meal to respond to anything coming through that door far more than donut scarfing 5-0.

The law makes special exceptions for police.

Normally you have a good point, this time you are a little off.

[JamisonFRC]

30.06 does not apply to LEO. Forest you have some pretty far fetched ideas. So let me get this straight: as soon as an officer shift ends he should take his gun and badge off, lock them up and forget he's a cop until his next shift starts?

Sounds great! So the hundreds of thousands off duty LEO will not respond to squat while off duty. Solid idea. But it's cool because you will save the world with your vast amount of active shooter training and unparalleled marksmanship. Dude, you are going to be busy!

I absolutely respect the fact that you served this great nation. But man, get over yourself. Every other thread you post is about bashing cops. In one breath you berate them for thinking they are better than everyone else and the next you tell everyone how much of a bad ass you are.

I think most give you a pass because of the sacrifices you made serving. I truly thank you. But give it a rest.

Back to the topic, we get a "lunch" while on duty. However, we are still available for calls. I would have paid and left. I would never eat there again, no biggie.

Apologies for any typos. I'm on my phone.

[Forever_frost]

Right, who is Forest?

Actually, I haven't posted up a thread about cops in quite a while. Been busy. When a cop is off duty and entering a restaurant that does not permit firearms, he should be a big boy, realize it applies to him as well, take off his gun and put it in his car. Afterall, that's what the rest of us have to do. Or are you okay with me walking around with my SAW strapped around my back when I'm off duty? I mean, I can be recalled at any time and vacations can and have been cut short by a unit preparing to mobilize. Since that's the case, those rules shouldn't apply to me either should they? I guarantee you my training and the training of every Marine, Sailor, Chair Force and Soldier on here surpasses those of cops. So you should trust us right?

Don't thank me. I did a job. Refute what I'm saying. Cops are not special. They threw a fit because they were asked to leave. Any citizen does that, they get escorted out. Where is it that an owner cannot ask a police officer to leave their establishment? I've admitted I was wrong before and will again if I am.

You get lunch on duty. Cool. Station one man outside of the resteraunt that doesn't want guns inside, with the weapons (we do weapons trees) and you go in, eat and leave. Obey the signs.

[fordracing19]

I thank the Leo for carrying where I can't.

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[Forever_frost]

I thank the Leo for carrying where I can't.

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You do realize these officers have no obligation to protect you right? Supreme Court ruled it and if they fail to protect you, you have no recourse against them.

[Broncojohnny]

Danny said it best, it is a free country, at least for the time being. I can't believe someone rolled out some bullshit about "police business". Lol

[fordracing19]

You do realize these officers have no obligation to protect you right? Supreme Court ruled it and if they fail to protect you, you have no recourse against them.

Guess I should wait around for the military.

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[Chas_svo]

Ok, but what about all the LEOs with military training...just for arguments sake?

The detectives were on duty, just at lunch. The manager is an idiot, and likely now enjoying my tax dollars on unemployment.

Calm down, and it will be alright.