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    The U.S. government pressured Moscow on Monday to turn over NSA leaker Edward Snowden, while sending a strong message to the globe-trotting fugitive: we know where you are.

    Snowden, who left Hong Kong for Russia over the weekend, had been expected to board a Cuba-bound flight from Moscow on Monday morning, but was nowhere to be found on that flight.

    A Justice Department official, though, told Fox News that the department knows his location, without providing further detail.

    White House Press Secretary Jay Carney later said he is presumed to be in Russia.

    "We do expect the Russian government to look at all the options available ... to expel Mr. Snowden back to the United States," Carney said.

    Carney also chided Hong Kong for letting Snowden leave, saying they made a "deliberate choice" that will damage U.S.-China relations.
    Carney did not provide other details about the status of possible negotiations.

    Julian Assange, the WikiLeaks founder whose team is assisting Snowden, separately claimed on a conference call to know Snowden's location, but would only say that he is "healthy and safe."

    "He's in a safe place," Assange said. "We cannot go into further detail."

    Assange and his colleagues accused the U.S. of trying to bully other nations into turning him over, claiming Snowden can potentially claim refugee status. Though the U.S. revoked Snowden's passport, Assange revealed that Snowden was supplied with a refugee document when he left Hong Kong by the Ecuadorian government, allowing him to travel.

    Assange said Snowden has applied for asylum in Ecuador, Iceland and possibly other countries. Meanwhile, Ecuador's foreign minister said Monday that the country was considering Snowden's request.

    But the Justice Department official said a revoked passport should have stopped anyone in that circumstance from boarding a plane.

    The U.S. government has been pressuring countries not to provide him passage.

    Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., wrote a terse letter to Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak saying that, if Snowden is still in Russia, Moscow should turn him over.

    "The Snowden case is an important test of the 'reset' in relations between our two countries. Mr. Snowden's own statements have made clear his guilt. If our two nations are to have a constructive relationship moving forward, Russian cooperation in this matter is essential," he wrote. "If Mr. Snowden is still on Russian territory, I urge your government to apprehend him and turn him over the United States authorities immediately."

    Anti-secrecy group WikiLeaks said earlier that Snowden was ultimately bound for Ecuador "via a safe route for the purposes of asylum, and is being escorted by diplomats and legal advisers from WikiLeaks."

    Ecuador's Foreign Minister Ricardo Patino spoke to reporters while in Vietnam on Monday, saying his country is analyzing Snowden's request. He was critical of the U.S., saying it's unlikely Snowden would receive a fair trial.

    He said earlier that the asylum request "has to do with freedom of expression and with the security of citizens around the world."

    The White House responded to the weekend's events late Sunday, saying the U.S. hopes Russia will look at "all options available" to extradite Snowden back to the U.S. to face charges before he leaves for South America.

    The statement cites the two countries' recent cooperation in the aftermath of the Boston Marathon bombings and the U.S.' extradition of criminals back to Russia as factors the White House hopes will influence Russia's decision.

    The U.S. has been left with limited options as Snowden's itinerary took him on a tour of what many see as anti-American capitals. Ecuador in particular has rejected the United States' previous efforts at cooperation.

    "The United States has been in touch via diplomatic and law enforcement channels with countries in the Western Hemisphere through which Snowden might transit or that could serve as final destinations," a State Department official told Fox News. "The U.S. is advising these governments that Snowden is wanted on felony charges, and as such should not be allowed to proceed in any further international travel, other than is necessary to return him to the United States."

    Snowden helped The Guardian and The Washington Post disclose U.S. surveillance programs that collects vast amounts of phone records and online data in the name of foreign intelligence, but often sweeping up information on American citizens. Officials have the ability to collect phone and Internet information broadly but need a warrant to examine specific cases where they believe terrorism is involved.

    Snowden has been in hiding for several weeks in Hong Kong, a former British colony with a high degree of autonomy from mainland China. The United States formally sought Snowden's extradition from Hong Kong but was rebuffed; Hong Kong officials said the U.S. request did not fully comply with their laws.

    The Justice Department rejected that claim, saying its request met all of the requirements of the extradition treaty between the U.S. and Hong Kong.
    During conversations last week, including a phone call Wednesday between Attorney General Eric Holder and Hong Kong Secretary for Justice Rimsky Yuen, Hong Kong officials never raised any issues regarding sufficiency of the U.S. request, a Justice spokesperson said.

    A State Department official said the United States was in touch through diplomatic and law enforcement channels with countries that Snowden could travel through or to, reminding them that Snowden is wanted on criminal charges and reiterating Washington's position that Snowden should only be permitted to travel back to the U.S.

    The Justice Department said it would "pursue relevant law enforcement cooperation with other countries where Mr. Snowden may be attempting to travel."

    Upon his arrival, Snowden did not leave Moscow's Sheremetyevo Airport. One explanation could be that he wasn't allowed; since his passport has been revoked, and special permission from Russian authorities would have been needed.

    "It's almost hopeless unless we find some ways to lean on them," said Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y.

    U.S. lawmakers scoffed. "The freedom trail is not exactly China-Russia-Cuba-Venezuela, so I hope we'll chase him to the ends of the earth, bring him to justice and let the Russians know there'll be consequences if they harbor this guy," said Graham.


    With each suspected flight, efforts to secure Snowden's return to the United States appeared more complicated if not impossible. The United States does not have an extradition treaty with Russia, but does with Cuba, Venezuela and Ecuador. Even with an extradition agreement though, any country could give Snowden a political exemption.

    The likelihood that any of these countries would stop Snowden from traveling on to Ecuador seemed unlikely. While diplomatic tensions have thawed in recent years, Cuba and the United States are hardly allies after a half century of distrust.

    Venezuela, too, could prove difficult. Former President Hugo Chavez was a sworn enemy of the United States and his successor, Nicolas Maduro, earlier this year called Obama "grand chief of devils." The two countries do not exchange ambassadors.

    U.S. pressure on Caracas also might be problematic given its energy exports. The U.S. Energy Information Agency reports Venezuela sent the United States 900,000 barrels of crude oil each day in 2012, making it the fourth-largest foreign source of U.S. oil.

    Fox News' James Rosen, Kelly Chernenkoff and The Associated Press contributed to this report.



    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...#ixzz2X9sDyk65
    So, I wonder how much longer it will take Obama and his group to realize that the entire world is calling their bluff?

    I am proud to be American, but I am not proud of the image this current administration has given us.

    And another thing, how many people actually thought the government wasnt watching everything? I mean really...

    So with the idea that we obviously know that the government is watching, we just chose to pretend as if they are not, did he really give up any secrets...lol

    Maybe I dont know the whole story...but I knew that the government was watching ever since the patriot act
    Originally posted by Sean88gt
    You can take white off the list. White on anything is the best, including vehicles, women, and the Presidency.
    Originally posted by Baron Von Crowder
    You can not imagine how difficult it is to hold a half gallon of moo juice and polish the one-eyed gopher when your doin' seventy-five in an eighteen-wheeler.

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    Here's where we find out what the world REALLY thinks of our POTUS.

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    • #3
      What a cluster fuck. When are people going to realize any significant event our government is responsible for is a display of incompetence.

      Is it time for Obama to draw another one of his red lines?
      "When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic." -Benjamin Franklin
      "A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury." -Alexander Fraser Tytler

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Vertnut View Post
        Here's where we find out what the world REALLY thinks of our POTUS.
        Eggzacktly, though I will NOT be holding my breath.

        I just hope it is a good firm slap to the face that he cannot just sweep under the rug. I hope, the international community leaves him and his hippy advisers/cabinet without recourse. So far, it’s all an empty promise (“you had better send him back”) from us to them (other countries)….
        Originally posted by Sean88gt
        You can take white off the list. White on anything is the best, including vehicles, women, and the Presidency.
        Originally posted by Baron Von Crowder
        You can not imagine how difficult it is to hold a half gallon of moo juice and polish the one-eyed gopher when your doin' seventy-five in an eighteen-wheeler.

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        • #5
          Blowback: Blowback is unintended consequences of a covert operation that are suffered by the civil population of the aggressor government. To the civilians suffering the blowback of covert operations, the effect typically manifests itself as “random” acts of political violence without a discernible, direct cause; because the public—in whose name the intelligence agency acted—are ignorant of the effected secret attacks that provoked revenge (counter-attack) against them.[1]



          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blowback_(intelligence)

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