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        • #35
          I would have a real difficult time not seeking out vigilante justice after this.

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          • #36
            Murder was a bit of a stretch on this one.

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            • #37
              Originally posted by TX_92_Notch View Post
              His attorney said the guy didn't even know it was a gun and it "just went off". How anyone can believe that shit is beyond me...
              3 times

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              • #38
                Originally posted by Craizie View Post
                Murder was a bit of a stretch on this one.


                Kate would be to differ.

                I still can't beleive he walked on the involuntary manslaughter charge though.

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                • #39
                  Originally posted by TX_92_Notch View Post
                  Kate would be to differ.
                  The letter of the law wouldn't....

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                  • #40
                    Originally posted by Craizie View Post
                    Murder was a bit of a stretch on this one.
                    Only if you believe the guy's story of him finding it and it just going off. Three times.

                    What are the odds of a drop safe weapon going off three separate times, without being dropped?

                    Also, his first story was he was shooting at sea lions.

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                    • #41
                      Originally posted by sc281 View Post
                      Only if you believe the guy's story of him finding it and it just going off. Three times.

                      What are the odds of a drop safe weapon going off three separate times, without being dropped?

                      Also, his first story was he was shooting at sea lions.
                      I believe murder requires premeditation.

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                      • #42
                        Originally posted by Craizie View Post
                        I believe murder requires premeditation.
                        Looking at it again you might be right. It could be argued either way. However, second degree murder or felony murder sound about right.

                        Sadly, the example they give for 2nd degree murder is a little too on the nose in this instance.

                        FindLaw's article on the types of killings that are often classified as second-degree murder. Learn more about this in FindLaw's Criminal Charges section.


                        The law describes second degree murder as, among other things, a killing caused by dangerous conduct and the offender's obvious lack of concern for human life.

                        Killings Resulting from a Depraved Indifference to Human Life

                        The third main type of second degree murder occurs when a victim dies as a result of the perpetrators depraved indifference to human life. Depraved indifference to human life can mean different things in different jurisdictions, but in general it signifies that the perpetrator had an utter disregard for the potential damage to human life that their actions could cause.


                        Going back to Adam and Bill, imagine that, instead of hitting Bill over the head with the tire iron, Adam grabbed his gun and fired in anger into a crowd of onlookers. Adam didn't necessarily mean to kill anyone, but also didn't give any thought to the harm that his actions could cause in the crowd. This demonstrates Adams depraved indifference to human life. If one of Adams bullets struck and killed anyone in the crowd, then Adam has probably committed second degree murder.


                        Felony Murder

                        Some states also classify killings that occur during the commission of another felony as second degree murder, although other states characterize thesefelony murders*as murder in the first degree. An individual can be found guilty of a felony murder even if they did not actually kill anyone and only intended to commit the original felony.



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                        • #43
                          Originally posted by sc281 View Post
                          Also, his first story was he was shooting at sea lions.
                          That would of got the left really upset! But, this was just a white girl...not guilty!

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                          • #44
                            Originally posted by sc281 View Post
                            Only if you believe the guy's story of him finding it and it just going off. Three times.

                            What are the odds of a drop safe weapon going off three separate times, without being dropped?

                            Also, his first story was he was shooting at sea lions.
                            I know Kate was only hit once, but where does it say he fired the gun three times? Did anyone see that the maximum penalty for the charge he was convicted on was three years and he has already served two.

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                            • #45
                              Originally posted by jw33 View Post
                              I know Kate was only hit once, but where does it say he fired the gun three times? Did anyone see that the maximum penalty for the charge he was convicted on was three years and he has already served two.


                              He won’t get the max penalty. That’s reserved for minor drug offenses.

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