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  • #16
    Originally posted by ram57ta View Post
    Slow down. There might be a bit more to the story. Stop listening to the local news. Mainstream media might be intentionally blowing this one out of proportion to push their agenda......not saying it's otherwise..just saying it might not be what the news is reporting. It could be drastically different.
    That's why I posted maybe we can get some insight from our fellow PD is to what is supposed to happen in that situation.

    I was in S.A. the day of the shooting for some R&R and to see Papa Roach and Highly Suspect at the new Tech Port Arena, it was a very somber mood down there and the questions were starting to pour in. I didn't watch the news down there and neither up here as they are all full of shit.
    I did watch that video homeskillet posted above and it make you empathize with those people and I probably would do the same as that lady.

    Alpha males, Momma bears, Military, P.D and Fireman confront life threatening issues head on and most wouldn't wait for a school pd chief to tell them to go inside a school where kids are being executed to form a plan of attack.
    I rely on real people that have cred on this website and if I need more answers I'll ask my P.D friends the questions IF I need them.
    Originally posted by Silverback
    Look all you want, she can't find anyone else who treats her as bad as I do, and I keep her self esteem so low, she wouldn't think twice about going anywhere else.

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    • #17
      shame on Biden and the democrats for using this as a political football

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Rick Modena View Post
        Sounds like a bunch of fucking cowards.

        I hate to be a couch QB but maybe our fellow PD peeps can shed some light on protocol for an active shooter in an elementary school.
        Originally posted by ram57ta View Post
        Slow down. There might be a bit more to the story. Stop listening to the local news. Mainstream media might be intentionally blowing this one out of proportion to push their agenda......not saying it's otherwise..just saying it might not be what the news is reporting. It could be drastically different.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Unicorn Jeff View Post
          Number four is technically what they did I think. So, think about that for a minute.

          There are all sorts of cops out there. I am a little riskier then others when it comes to doing my job. I got spiked the other night and was still doing a buck 6 with three tires chasing down a double capital murder suspect. I am getting to old for this shit, but he needed to be got.

          My chief literally said that if he told me to stop he would have had a boot mark on his back where I pushed him down and stepped over him to get by. I told him I need C4 training now.

          I walked my schools long and hard after this with some of my officers. The biggest issue here, is every mechanism in place to prevent this, failed, so he made it to the hardest place to get to him. This one is hard to comment on because I have yet to here a consistent story come out of there.

          If there were no more gunshots, no one calling the police, and the guy just thought this kid was the only one alive in that room I can see a pause. Technically if he is not shooting anymore, he is a barricaded subject, but this is the first time one has stopped and started again. But one more shot and all bets are off.

          If there were windows, I am distracting at the front, and shooting at the back. If there are no windows and the front door is locked, I might try a run at the wall in my Tahoe, sent someone over the wall between rooms, whatever. I would have checked that door handle though, being shot at or not. Everyone talks about ballistic shields. I have one and it won't stop a .223.

          I have seen class rooms with no windows, concrete walls, steel door frames and 3 inch deadbolts, only key locked, and the tiniest sliver between the frame and door. Good luck getting that door open. Some of the other problems with driving through walls and shooting locks off are what if you take out a child when doing this. This was a bad deal, and the more I hear and the more I see, doesn't give me great vibes.
          Whos your Daddy?

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          • #20
            Originally posted by kingjason View Post
            . This was a bad deal, and the more I hear and the more I see, doesn't give me great vibes.
            I listen to a lot of talk radio and have heard great conversations about what happened from both sides...lots of speculation. The DPS report that came out a few days back makes me think this was planned and coordinated at many levels...I can't imagine any scenario in the real world where multiple officers, from multiple agencies..including the CHIEF of the department would show up...in waves of increasing capability..and yet the chief had no radio...and according to DPS multiple doors of entry that nobody attempted to open..for over an hour? This is impossible unless it was planned. Please attempt to justify and explain what I am missing.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by ram57ta View Post
              I listen to a lot of talk radio and have heard great conversations about what happened from both sides...lots of speculation. The DPS report that came out a few days back makes me think this was planned and coordinated at many levels...I can't imagine any scenario in the real world where multiple officers, from multiple agencies..including the CHIEF of the department would show up...in waves of increasing capability..and yet the chief had no radio...and according to DPS multiple doors of entry that nobody attempted to open..for over an hour? This is impossible unless it was planned. Please attempt to justify and explain what I am missing.
              What do you mean... planned?

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              • #22
                Originally posted by GE View Post
                What do you mean... planned?
                I have my opinion and thoughts. Have a stroke thinking about it.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by ram57ta View Post
                  I listen to a lot of talk radio and have heard great conversations about what happened from both sides...lots of speculation. The DPS report that came out a few days back makes me think this was planned and coordinated at many levels...I can't imagine any scenario in the real world where multiple officers, from multiple agencies..including the CHIEF of the department would show up...in waves of increasing capability..and yet the chief had no radio...and according to DPS multiple doors of entry that nobody attempted to open..for over an hour? This is impossible unless it was planned. Please attempt to justify and explain what I am missing.
                  If that happened that way, I can't explain it. The picture I saw of everyone in the hall with shields, odd I tell you. I have been to three active shooter classes and this scenario kind of strayed from there. The Chief not having a radio, not really a shocker.
                  Whos your Daddy?

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by GE View Post
                    What do you mean... planned?
                    Cmon GE, false flag, gun rights stuff. I have always thought people that carried on a little much about these type situations have no idea what it would take to pull that crazy kind of shit off. Not one of these mass shootings has led me to believe the government was involved.

                    Everybody gets a trophy, no corporal punishment, and video games have led to this crap. Quit publicizing these types of deals and they will quit trying to be the next big thing. I have seen so many kids lose their fucking minds when they get their phones or games taken from them. My dad would have knocked me the fuck out.
                    Whos your Daddy?

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by kingjason View Post
                      Everybody gets a trophy, no corporal punishment, and video games have led to this crap.
                      You forgot psychotropic "medications".. Every one of these little fucks is on some sort of drug because their parents didn't put a boot in that ass.

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                      • #26
                        if you haven't noticed every week there's a different distraction from the white house

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                        • #27
                          If I/we have learned anything is that it will keep happening. It started in Austin in the mid 60's in Texas at UT, Columbine, Sandy Hook, Florida and now Uvalde and other multiple mass shootings. It's not getting any better and each one is tragic.
                          I wholeheartedly agree with Jason, mental issues, no parenting skills by people who shouldn't have kids to begin with and of course these stupid fucking video game that shouldn't be played by children. Gun education and mental health awareness and good parenting skills is paramount.
                          Originally posted by Silverback
                          Look all you want, she can't find anyone else who treats her as bad as I do, and I keep her self esteem so low, she wouldn't think twice about going anywhere else.

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                          • #28
                            Nothing makes you suspicious? The most heavily survielled casino in the world and no video footage….
                            New York subway cameras everywhere but no video footage…..
                            Everyone in the world now has a camera in their pocket but no video footage.

                            Yah nothing suspicious at all!!!!

                            The OIC of this debacle was a donor to any politician threatening to take away the 2nd amendment with his own political aspirations…. Nothing suspicious about that.

                            Say what you want, but all of this should be looked into a lot more.

                            And apparently the subway shooter and this school shooter had the same contacts in discord, but I’m sure that’s just a huge conspiracy too.

                            Watching how many cops behaved during the BLM riots and during COVID gives cops about as much credibility as the compulsive liar on SNL. Yah nothing to see here folks, move along.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by AnthonyS View Post
                              Nothing makes you suspicious? Oh, I didn't say that at all, I was a 100 percent right when I said years ago they slowed down my favorite razor to make me buy a new phone. The most heavily survielled casino in the world and no video footage…. Ever think maybe its just not for public consumption? Victims have rights also. Fun fact, it is actually against the law to release body cam footage in Texas unil the case is disposed. Also, not required to be released if there is no police action, IE Citation, charge Etc. What exactly are you wanting? To watch people be murdered?

                              New York subway cameras everywhere but no video footage….. I bet 30 percent of their shit is jacked up at any given moment.

                              Everyone in the world now has a camera in their pocket but no video footage. There was literally video footage of this.

                              Yah nothing suspicious at all!!!!

                              The OIC of this debacle was a donor to any politician threatening to take away the 2nd amendment with his own political aspirations…. Nothing suspicious about that. So, you completely throw away any kind of career ambitions to prove a point? And you think this whole pile of guys all synced up and jumped on board? Hell at any given point I can look around and my guys can't even a agree on lunch.

                              Say what you want, but all of this should be looked into a lot more.

                              And apparently the subway shooter and this school shooter had the same contacts in discord, but I’m sure that’s just a huge conspiracy too. On the same Sub=Reddit, had a Costco card, hell I am on this board with you, and a hand full of others, can you imagine if something happened.

                              Watching how many cops behaved during the BLM riots and during COVID gives cops about as much credibility as the compulsive liar on SNL. Yah nothing to see here folks, move along.
                              What were you looking for here? People in liberal cities were told to stand down. Look at Austin right now where they got indictments on all those guys over tear gas and less lethal. This isn't the 60's anymore. We were not told to stand down, and during covid we gave two shits about mask mandates, hall passes, etc. We had to talk to one restaurant because every Karen and their mother called in bitching they stayed open and gave no fucks about limits.

                              I totally get what Jeff is saying. If you go down that rabbit hole it is easy to find things that might have ties to other shit if you really squint hard enough. I have worked with administrators from all over the spectrum that are jiving with you and Jeff about a lot of things. I don't buy it. Epstein- absolutely, Election rigging, oh I am sure, people coming forward smearing SCJ's with zero evidence or proof, you bet ya. There is for sure dark money out there and people rigging the system. The amount of corruption is just sickening in this country. But coordinating multiple agencies to commit a grand cover up...... nope. Hell, one major crime scene with one department is like herding god damn cats. When you show me hard evidence, I am in. You know I know the whole real Kennedy Story and the actual truth makes more sense then any of the conspiracy theory's. Think about it, I have this information, and I am still alive! If something happens to me next week be sure and say they killed me because I knew to much.
                              Whos your Daddy?

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by kingjason View Post
                                What were you looking for here? People in liberal cities were told to stand down. Look at Austin right now where they got indictments on all those guys over tear gas and less lethal. This isn't the 60's anymore. We were not told to stand down, and during covid we gave two shits about mask mandates, hall passes, etc. We had to talk to one restaurant because every Karen and their mother called in bitching they stayed open and gave no fucks about limits.

                                I totally get what Jeff is saying. If you go down that rabbit hole it is easy to find things that might have ties to other shit if you really squint hard enough. I have worked with administrators from all over the spectrum that are jiving with you and Jeff about a lot of things. I don't buy it. Epstein- absolutely, Election rigging, oh I am sure, people coming forward smearing SCJ's with zero evidence or proof, you bet ya. There is for sure dark money out there and people rigging the system. The amount of corruption is just sickening in this country. But coordinating multiple agencies to commit a grand cover up...... nope. Hell, one major crime scene with one department is like herding god damn cats. When you show me hard evidence, I am in. You know I know the whole real Kennedy Story and the actual truth makes more sense then any of the conspiracy theory's. Think about it, I have this information, and I am still alive! If something happens to me next week be sure and say they killed me because I knew to much.
                                You are right. It isn’t all police. It isn’t all agencies or politicians either. Sadly though the corruption is pretty obvious. It makes me really suspicious. Sure you and your group didn’t bust skulls over COVID lockdowns but some did. I hear what you are saying, and this sucks for honest people on all sides. The solution requires all honest people to start working together though. Until that happens, we are going to have more of this nonsense. I’m sick and tired of all the “conspiracy theories” turning out to be partly or even fully true.

                                The Kennedy thing is interesting. I’ve stood on the grassy knoll more than once. I’ve seen the video, and I don’t believe in magic bullets. I fully believe a lot of the crap going on today could be traced back to that event with sufficient evidence and work by honest people.

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