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[bubbaearl]

it will go 12th amendment . each state gets 1 vote . that is easier than overturning state elections .

[BP]

it will go 12th amendment . each state gets 1 vote . that is easier than overturning state elections .

Well I think the goal is to throw out those contested states so neither candidate gets 270, in which case it becomes a contingent election. Meaning the house picks the president and the senate the VP.

Honestly I'd be happy with that outcome. Biden will be inaugurated with Pence as his VP. Leftists get the old white guy they wanted whose not Trump and California gets to keep their almost full blown socialist senator.

Then we can start talking about that 25th amendment again.

[juiceweezl]

Well I think the goal is to throw out those contested states so neither candidate gets 270, in which case it becomes a contingent election. Meaning the house picks the president and the senate the VP.

Honestly I'd be happy with that outcome. Biden will be inaugurated with Pence as his VP. Leftists get the old white guy they wanted whose not Trump and California gets to keep their almost full blown socialist senator.

Then we can start talking about that 25th amendment again.

You're close but not exactly right. Each state gets a vote, not each Representative. 50 votes for POTUS in play if that's the case. Trump would likely remain POTUS with Race Bannon as VP.

[davbrucas]

Eric, honest question...
On which part of the political spectrum do your beliefs align? I can understand not liking Donald Trump, but is that enough to vote against him when the alternative is quite unpalatable to most of us?
I’m assuming you’re taking the opposite stance in here for debate purposes (and making people look like idiots) and not that you support the democrat agenda? I’ve known you (on here) for 20yrs and I’d be shocked if you came out as a liberal.

[Big A]

Texas' suit has been rejected.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/11/us/politics/supreme-court-election-texas.html?fbclid=IwAR2f1oGb59g5QdAON7do-pYGeIl51Nj5n1L8gqa2cN4QrMzwKyOiOZeN1Cc

[talisman]

That's that on the Texas lawsuit.

"Supreme Court denies effort to block election results in 4 key states that sealed Trump's fate."

Anthony will probably be in here at any minute to say it didn't happen.

Eric, honest question...
On which part of the political spectrum do your beliefs align? I can understand not liking Donald Trump, but is that enough to vote against him when the alternative is quite unpalatable to most of us?
I’m assuming you’re taking the opposite stance in here for debate purposes (and making people look like idiots) and not that you support the democrat agenda? I’ve known you (on here) for 20yrs and I’d be shocked if you came out as a liberal.

Where have I taken a political stance in here? Look back and I don't think you'll find that I have, though this thread has gone on long enough that maybe I've forgotten a post or two. I've been debunking misinformation, as it happens mostly from ultra right wing conservative cultists.

Political labels are generally unhelpful unless a person views politics as a sport, but I am at best, if a label had to be applied rather than simply looking at things issue by issue, a left leaning libertarian.

I believe people should have the maximum amount of freedom in their personal lives so long as they do not cause DIRECT harm to others, and that the corporate side of libertarianism leans too hard right, because we aren't operating in a true capitalist society due to the corporate hijacking of our political system. I don't think corporations are people or should be treated as such, at least not as our system operates now.

[Broncojohnny]

My favorite part of that whole CNBC article is where Nancy Pelosi claims that someone else is imperiling democracy. That's positively comical.

I didn't figure much would come of the lawsuit because the stakes were too high.

I can guarantee one thing that will come of it though, and this is the real bad part for our country as a whole, in the next election the Republicans are going to cheat just as bad as the Democrats do. Whether it is through redistricting or whatever else. It will be game on. If all that matters is who gets the most votes and no one will even have a trial when the other party tries to challenge it then obviously anything goes.

[davbrucas]

That's that on the Texas lawsuit.



"Supreme Court denies effort to block election results in 4 key states that sealed Trump's fate."



Anthony will probably be in here at any minute to say it didn't happen.







Where have I taken a political stance in here? Look back and I don't think you'll find that I have, though this thread has gone on long enough that maybe I've forgotten a post or two. I've been debunking misinformation, as it happens mostly from ultra right wing conservative cultists.



Political labels are generally unhelpful unless a person views politics as a sport, but I am at best, if a label had to be applied rather than simply looking at things issue by issue, a left leaning libertarian.



I believe people should have the maximum amount of freedom in their personal lives so long as they do not cause DIRECT harm to others, and that the corporate side of libertarianism leans too hard right, because we aren't operating in a true capitalist society due to the corporate hijacking of our political system. I don't think corporations are people or should be treated as such, at least not as our system operates now.

You didn’t. It was just the appearance based on arguing against the obvious election fraud committed by democrats.
We are very similar in our views other than I’m not left leaning on much except some social issues like abortion.

[Trip McNeely]

My favorite part of that whole CNBC article is where Nancy Pelosi claims that someone else is imperiling democracy. That's positively comical.

I didn't figure much would come of the lawsuit because the stakes were too high.

I can guarantee one thing that will come of it though, and this is the real bad part for our country as a whole, in the next election the Republicans are going to cheat just as bad as the Democrats do. Whether it is through redistricting or whatever else. It will be game on. If all that matters is who gets the most votes and no one will even have a trial when the other party tries to challenge it then obviously anything goes.

Even though now that they will be back in power they will restructure, change the rules, do whatever they can to prevent anything like that. Republicans will get caught as well, trial-no trial and be prosecuted and probably put to Death as the Democrats would advocate for the death penalty in this case. I have a hard time believing if we don’t keep the Senate that this country will ever be the same, even then it will only last for 2 years before we’re fucked again. The cycle will continue until it’s total submission for the liberal agenda.

[talisman]

You didn’t. It was just the appearance based on arguing against the obvious election fraud committed by democrats.
We are very similar in our views other than I’m not left leaning on much except some social issues like abortion.

If it is so obvious there should be plenty of evidence. As it sits, Republicans have brought jack shit to the judiciary table. Have you read the rulings? At the end of the day, the electorate choses the President anyway. Hillary won the popular vote by nearly 3 million people; didn't turn out so great for her.

[davbrucas]

If it is so obvious there should be plenty of evidence. As it sits, Republicans have brought jack shit to the judiciary table. Have you read the rulings? At the end of the day, the electorate choses the President anyway. Hillary won the popular vote by nearly 3 million people; didn't turn out so great for her.

There’s evidence, but our corrupt government is refusing to pursue it. No branch of our government wants to peel back the layers of the decades old onion of corruption. This was our one chance to right the ship without resorting to violence.

I understand you’re being pragmatic, but there’s absolutely no way that sleepy Joe Biden, a frail elderly man with dementia who couldn’t get 50 people at his rallies, garnered the most votes in our history...more than black Jesus and the first female candidate.
It won’t be proven in a court of law, but this election was stolen by the democrats. Let’s just hope that Joe is #5, Kamala is #6 and then Nancy is #7.

[Trip McNeely]

Another adverse effect this is going to have on Republicans is it will completely disenfranchise the voting base. No one trusts the election process and rightfully so, so why bother voting. Not only that but a lot of your old school Republicans, turns out they’re really not Republicans at all. Turns out all politicians are the same, they seek money and power. The only hope is the next budget they don’t pass one and the govmt shuts down permanently.

[Broncojohnny]

Let's not forget that the Supreme Court shot the case down because they said Texas lacked standing. They didn't say anything about the merits of the case. That's about the safest way out politically that they could have got out of that situation. Every other avenue was a fucking political disaster.

[Broncojohnny]

Another adverse effect this is going to have on Republicans is it will completely disenfranchise the voting base. No one trusts the election process and rightfully so, so why bother voting. Not only that but a lot of your old school Republicans, turns out they’re really not Republicans at all. Turns out all politicians are the same, they seek money and power. The only hope is the next budget they don’t pass one and the govmt shuts down permanently.

If anyone here is surprised that a lot of Republicans are fucking whores in disguise then you need to step back a little bit. Sure there are zealots that believe in the cause but a whole lot of these people are just whores. On both sides. They would suck a goat dick on television to get elected. I'm being completely serious.

[talisman]

If anyone here is surprised that a lot of Republicans are fucking whores in disguise then you need to step back a little bit. Sure there are zealots that believe in the cause but a whole lot of these people are just whores. On both sides. They would suck a goat dick on television to get elected. I'm being completely serious.

This is 100% dead on accurate. Follow the money.

Have y'all noticed Republican politicians are pretending to be against socialism again suddenly and talking about over spending? I have. Being fiscally conservative is what initially drew me into thinking about them as viable politically 15 years ago.