Some thoughts on everything that has gone down…

[Chili]

I have posted this on both sites, FYI.

I just wanted to write out my feelings and thoughts on everything that has gone down since Friday.

First of all, I am saddened by a number of things that has happened, not just the sale of the board in itself. I was very surprised that so many people were so quick to completely jump ship and then attempt to burn down dfwstangs on the way out. To some extent I think people may have been a little to quick to react and this whole thing may have been more meaningful if it had been thought out a little before taking action. More importantly I am saddened by what seems to me as further fracturing of our little group. One of the things that has kept me around here so long is that although you constantly see bickering and such, people always seemed to come together when it counted. This time, not so much.

I am bummed that the website was sold but hopefully everyone can stay level-headed enough to keep this whole thing going. I hate seeing friends turning on friends. I dislike the idea that whether true or perceived there are individuals that want to keep others out of whatever board we end up on. I know some people are a pain in the ass at times but blocking / banning / whatever is not the way things have been done, and I think that was a positive attribute. I am a firm believer that we all benefit from a diverse set of ideas, different types of people, etc. and that it outweighs the negatives in most cases.

I will keep sitting on the fence to see where things go but the outlook isn’t positive in my eyes, at least not at the moment.

I hold no ill will towards anyone, this has been a big surprise to all and people can react funny to change. I just urge everyone to take a minute and think before so much is undone.

~Chili

[chuckacosta]

Very well said Craig. I have always appreciated your insight and approach to all situations.

[talismans]

Sorry. I asked the questions that led to the truth being known, and instigated the verbal assault on The Admin because I didn't like the way that little cocksucker was condescending everyone. I see what has happened as a GOOD thing. We stuck it to The Man, stayed true to our style, and are continuing to have the people trickle in over here. I'm pleased as punch, actually, after the way the entire deal went down and how Chris lied to all of us. Especially what he did to Jose. Fuck 'em all.

[Da Prez]

Fuck dfwstangs!! If Jose ain't running it, I won't even bother going back to it, just my two cents!!

[Slowhand]

I think what happened on the other board was a massive overreaction but that board's days were numbered anyway with the direction that it was going to head under corporate management. The ads weren't ever going to stop, the moderation heavy environment wasn't going to go away and a certain individual that we're all aware of still got screwed.

I don't see why there should be a negative outlook, though. I don't see anything that this board doesn't/can't have that the old one did. Sure, people have pissy attitudes right now, but that's going to fade with time.

[Nate]

Get the fuck out of here with logic, reason, and objectiveness. Ban chili!!!!!

[Silverback]

Originally Posted by Nate

Get the fuck out of here with logic, reason, and objectiveness. Ban chili!!!!!

QFRT!

[ALLAN]

/thread

[mstng86]

Well put Chili. While I understand the breaking of the site was pretty quick. I have to say there are valid reasons on two fronts.

First, the community itself felt a little sold out in a way. It is obvious that alot of people here felt like it was a place to bs without having to deal with corporate sponsorship beat downs. It was like a little town square that everyone gathered at to have a good time, and Chris owned it. Once the site was sold and splashed with advertisements, it just didn't feel right. It isn't the way this group of guys and girls does things.

On the second front, well, really, fuck canada.

[Sean88gt]

The pre-banning is dumb and shouldn't happen. And whether or not we should have reacted is open for debate but in the end e acted. We were getting ready to be fed a heaping spoonful of bullshit and through the spoon back.
Chris pulled a chickenshit move, aced his friends out and within a day the world went from normal to a change that no one wanted and the collective said no thanks.

Like or not, autocanada would have turned the board into every other board that sucks corporate balls. It's what they do, we stepped off the ride, much like a lot of us did over a decade ago.

In the end, dfwstangs is left in a smoldering pile with Phil wondering wtf just happened. In a lot of respects, it morphed the only possible way it could have. I think what little initial division exists will be ironed out quickly and we can all go back to being the same sick, twisted, dysfunctional family that somehow makes it work that we always were.

[Broncojohnny]

Heavy moderation is to blame for people leaving the site. The free for all nature of the site was the most important part of the culture. The idiots from Canada didn't do their homework.

At the end of the day, I really don't give a shit if the site has a few more letters in the name and is hosted somewhere else. The people are the determining factor.

[Skidmark]

Originally Posted by Broncojohnny

At the end of the day, I really don't give a shit if the site has a few more letters in the name and is hosted somewhere else. The people are the determining factor.

Agreed.

[mustang_revival]

Coming from a "newb-ish" perspective:

- If I have the choice to buy American, I will take it. Funding towards the former Website will go to Canada. I don't dislike Canada, but it is not the US.
- It was awesome to witness how quickly the new site was up, and how smoothly the technical end of this has gone.
- It was very insightful to see how everyone reacted to this. Made alot of the debates and bitching I've seen make a lot more sense.

[jdgregory84]

I just didn't like how slow the site was getting. I don't know what all went on or why some peoples panties were in a wad and I really don't want to know. All I know is that the people that made that site as entertaining as it was are now here.

[8mpg]

Originally Posted by poopnut2

I just didn't like how slow the site was getting. I don't know what all went on or why some peoples panties were in a wad and I really don't want to know. All I know is that the people that made that site as entertaining as it was are now here.

BigA has his panties in a wad...

[DON SVO]

The website was sold for one purpose: money. If it's any different then Chris himself can come on in here and correct me and give Jose some cash.

The website was bought for one purpose: money. The new owners want to use it as a tool to generate revenue.

DFWstangs was never meant to become a money-generating whore of a website. That's 100% opposite of it's original intent.

Here is a post I made to the Admin regarding why Autoguide will never understand the culture and website.

You're still not comprehending.

The site was started as a car site 10 years ago. However, the reason this was a car site was because a lot of us were friends in the racing community and it helped connect the area's racers. It was never meant to go after corral.net or anything like that... it was meant to be home grown. It was meant to be our site. That's part of the allure: owned, operated and FOR the DFW mustang community.

I can tell you a lot of people are fucking LIVID about the situation because the site owners weren't nameless Admins like you... we all get together and drink beer, race cars, go to titty bars, start fights, be best mans at weddings, watch kids get born and grow up... that's why I said you might wanna come down and meet us.

Analogy time... This is like a small, home-grown company being sold to a larger one with only the owner knowing about the sale. Aaaaand let's say that the only reason the company was started in the first place was to keep a group of friends together doing something they mutually loved. The employees feel betrayed and lied to. The only problem here is that, unlike a company, the core group of people can easily regroup without having to deal with any clauses or contracts forbidding them to do the same work locally.

I mean, shit, did you read the intro on the home page to this site?

Welcome to DFWstangs.net, The High Performance Community for North Texas

A lot of the newbs that have come on here and offer fucking NOTHING of substance are merely tolerated. Do a search... we eat our young. This website is/was/will not be made for retards looking to just be retards.

As for the the "i hope that the people who don't like it move along" remark... You're going to get your wish soon enough. Autoguide will still have a big use base, and there will still be traffic, but the core... the people who know the owners and the owners are the reason they are here... will fucking leave.

Unfortunately, that number will probably be around 500-1,000, and will account for 20% of the activity.

Think this is... Like Shiner Bock. Shiner isn't from Texas if they suddenly move their operation to Mexico.

Comprende?


... and they still won't get it, IMO. Oh well.

[EW]

Jose was wronged. Chris should have at least given him the opportunity to buy him out of the site. The company that bought the site owns tons of sites (including the corral). I'm sure they see this kind of thing all the time. I'm not sure, but I don't think the old site was started to make money. It was about a local community. Every site costs money to operate and I don't think that most people cared about the local ads. The canadians whoring out the site was BS. Why would they want to buy a local mustang board? Are there that many people from other parts of the country interested in the local scene? What is the real value? How are they going to attract people to a DFW site? Was dfw stangs really that great of a mustang board or was it a great local community board? If it was more of a local community board than mustang board, what is the value of the site? The name? The name is still local. To me the purchase makes no sense but I'm not in that business. I don't think we (the community) should ban the idiots from this site. I think that site will continue to shrink without the core people there.

I think people feel betrayed by Chris and have no loyalty (or reason to be loyal) to the canadians so why stay?

[Big Dad]

I thought it was a very organized move to a new location,
sure some egged the windows on the way out, they are upset ,, rightly so IMO .

I expected no less from this band of ragamuffins ..

It's over and done, its the internet --quit being so serious

[Sean88gt]

Don, I think the 1000 users account for more like 95% of the activity.

[8mpg]

Originally Posted by DON SVO

The website was sold for one purpose: money. If it's any different then Chris himself can come on in here and correct me and give Jose some cash.

The website was bought for one purpose: money. The new owners want to use it as a tool to generate revenue.

DFWstangs was never meant to become a money-generating whore of a website. That's 100% opposite of it's original intent.

Here is a post I made to the Admin regarding why Autoguide will never understand the culture and website.

You're still not comprehending.

The site was started as a car site 10 years ago. However, the reason this was a car site was because a lot of us were friends in the racing community and it helped connect the area's racers. It was never meant to go after corral.net or anything like that... it was meant to be home grown. It was meant to be our site. That's part of the allure: owned, operated and FOR the DFW mustang community.

I can tell you a lot of people are fucking LIVID about the situation because the site owners weren't nameless Admins like you... we all get together and drink beer, race cars, go to titty bars, start fights, be best mans at weddings, watch kids get born and grow up... that's why I said you might wanna come down and meet us.

Analogy time... This is like a small, home-grown company being sold to a larger one with only the owner knowing about the sale. Aaaaand let's say that the only reason the company was started in the first place was to keep a group of friends together doing something they mutually loved. The employees feel betrayed and lied to. The only problem here is that, unlike a company, the core group of people can easily regroup without having to deal with any clauses or contracts forbidding them to do the same work locally.

I mean, shit, did you read the intro on the home page to this site?

Welcome to DFWstangs.net, The High Performance Community for North Texas

A lot of the newbs that have come on here and offer fucking NOTHING of substance are merely tolerated. Do a search... we eat our young. This website is/was/will not be made for retards looking to just be retards.

As for the the "i hope that the people who don't like it move along" remark... You're going to get your wish soon enough. Autoguide will still have a big use base, and there will still be traffic, but the core... the people who know the owners and the owners are the reason they are here... will fucking leave.

Unfortunately, that number will probably be around 500-1,000, and will account for 20% of the activity.

Think this is... Like Shiner Bock. Shiner isn't from Texas if they suddenly move their operation to Mexico.

Comprende?


... and they still won't get it, IMO. Oh well.

Dfwstangs will be a ghost town in the coming weeks, unless some noobs come in and start a new population. DFWS may have had 23,xxx members...but 90% of that were blank accounts. The true posters must have been 1000 or less, and 80% of them are already here.