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Old 07-18-2015, 07:19 AM   #421
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I thought that I would bring up an old thread to show the progress EVs have made in the last few years.

In 2017 about 86,500,000 new vehicles powered by an ICE of some sort were sold worldwide. About 312,000 EVs were sold in the same time frame.

Tesla is losing about 3,500,000,000 dollars per year, its stock price has been in free fall lately, and its front man is losing his mind.

Since this thread started there has basically been ZERO increase in market share for new EVs, there have been no tech breakthroughs to improve anything, and instead of becoming a large portion of the cars on the road they have just become status symbols for the wealthy who want to virtue signal. Even the Greens are starting to see that the claims made about EVs being the path to save the planet by being zero emissions was a hoax from the get go.
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Old 10-18-2018, 01:31 AM   #423
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Old 10-18-2018, 08:23 AM   #424
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I thought that I would bring up an old thread to show the progress EVs have made in the last few years.

In 2017 about 86,500,000 new vehicles powered by an ICE of some sort were sold worldwide. About 312,000 EVs were sold in the same time frame.

Tesla is losing about 3,500,000,000 dollars per year, its stock price has been in free fall lately, and its front man is losing his mind.

Since this thread started there has basically been ZERO increase in market share for new EVs, there have been no tech breakthroughs to improve anything, and instead of becoming a large portion of the cars on the road they have just become status symbols for the wealthy who want to virtue signal. Even the Greens are starting to see that the claims made about EVs being the path to save the planet by being zero emissions was a hoax from the get go.


I have nothing against Tesla, and EVs will keep coming, but I don't think people really get the reality of it all. EVs are not going to take over the world anytime soon.

I was in Detroit with one of the Big 3 last week and I was told, nearly verbatim,
"There's what we say publicly about EV, and then there's what we work on in here... and there's definitely difference between those."

And then there's this from earlier this week:

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BMW board member Klaus Frölich recently expressed his reservations about the costs of batteries in electric cars. In a recent statement, the 58-year-old senior BMW executive noted that electric vehicles would “never” be less costly than cars powered by fossil fuels.

“It’s very simple. You can produce whole cars, only with the cost of the battery,” he said.

“When everybody wants to have cobalt, the prices of cobalt will not go down, they will go up. So, it’s a nightmare that an electrified vehicle will cost the same as a combustion-engined car,”

Frölich notes that his “very optimistic scenario” assumes 15% of BMW’s cars going all-electric by 2030. In turn, he sees another 15% as plug-in hybrids — complete with combustion engines which, of course, still require fossil fuels. Therefore, he says, “I have 85 per cent in my portfolio in 2030 with a combustion engine.”

“I think the discussion about electro-mobility is a little bit irrational… the world – Russia, Australia, a large portion of the world – they will have combustion engines for a very long time.”

When the conversation turned to diesel, Frölich explains, “every politician sees only one solution – diesel bashing.” In contrast, Frölich claims he’s “very optimistic” about the future of diesel engines. He adds, “From a CO2 and customer perspective, a modern diesel is a very good solution… We have, I think, more or less the best diesels.”
More here on battery pricing, cobalt, Tesla's plan to go cobalt-free, etc
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