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Old 02-28-2014, 09:14 AM   #21
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I have no problem with either side of the equation.

Tesla wants to sell cars without a dealer network, fine.

Texas not allowing new car sales outside of dealer networks, also fine.

Let market forces determine the winner. Isn't that how it should work?

Personally I would be hesitant to buy anything as complex as a fucking first-gen electric car without a well-defined, well-trained service network widely available. The lack of a dealer network automatically keeps me away from Tesla, as does the fact I've seen as many on the side of the road as I have driving. Cool cars nonetheless.
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Old 02-28-2014, 01:15 PM   #22
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I have no problem with either side of the equation.

Tesla wants to sell cars without a dealer network, fine.

Texas not allowing new car sales outside of dealer networks, also fine.

Let market forces determine the winner. Isn't that how it should work?

Personally I would be hesitant to buy anything as complex as a fucking first-gen electric car without a well-defined, well-trained service network widely available. The lack of a dealer network automatically keeps me away from Tesla, as does the fact I've seen as many on the side of the road as I have driving. Cool cars nonetheless.
It's odd, I see about 4 - 5 on a daily basis (2 in Keller, 2 in Coppell, 1 in Southlake) and I have never seen them on the side of the road.

Maybe they just got later production ones?

Personally I would love one. I commute 50 miles a day, I could easily do that on the range of even the smallest KWH model.
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Kill all the dealer networks and the jobs they support, but gain questionably sound electric cars and less than 1% of those jobs back.

Sounds legit.
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Old 02-28-2014, 02:47 PM   #24
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Kill all the dealer networks and the jobs they support, but gain questionably sound electric cars and less than 1% of those jobs back.

Sounds legit.
Cars that have a huge fucking government subsidy.
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Old 02-28-2014, 03:15 PM   #25
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They should sell their cars on Amazon.

Can someone explain why vehicle manufactures are required to sell their products through a dealership and how that benifits the consumer?
I'm for a dealer network, just throwing that out first.
The last thing I'd want to wrastle with is a lemon electric tesla. Who is going to work on them. I still haven't figured out how walmart, Lowe's, home depot at all sell so many lawn tractors and such and who fixes all that stuff. I'm sure there is a place(ok, I know there is) but without a place to take it when broken, where does your mother, sister, guy who isn't a mechanic get the thing worked on. Who does warranty work? Where you gonna buy parts if you are gonna work on it?

That said I fix my own. I haven't bought new in this decade. Too much depreciation for me as I'm not a dfwm baller like most of yall. Though I do like to have a dealer to collect the sales tax and such. And pay plenty of employees and have them pay income tax.

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Old 02-28-2014, 03:20 PM   #26
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Why so much misinformation about what explodes, where, when and how. And what the fuck is wrong with everyone acting like these cars are dying left and right?
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Old 02-28-2014, 03:22 PM   #27
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I agree with what Danny said, I also don't understand the whole marketing of a "Green" Electric car when they plug into the grid which is run by 70% Fossil Fuels. Seems kind of ridiculous as well that they cost so much that a frugal person who is worried about Efficiency would worry about it. My .02
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Old 02-28-2014, 03:37 PM   #28
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I agree with what Danny said, I also don't understand the whole marketing of a "Green" Electric car when they plug into the grid which is run by 70% Fossil Fuels. Seems kind of ridiculous as well that they cost so much that a frugal person who is worried about Efficiency would worry about it. My .02
Electric motors are much more efficient, electricity is recoverable under braking, electricity doesn't have to be a burned fuel. There are a lot of reasons electricity CAN be green.
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I agree with what Danny said, I also don't understand the whole marketing of a "Green" Electric car when they plug into the grid which is run by 70% Fossil Fuels. Seems kind of ridiculous as well that they cost so much that a frugal person who is worried about Efficiency would worry about it. My .02
Figuring an average driver in an average sedan that gets 35mpg and drives 15k miles a year, paying $3.15 per gallon vs the same conditions in a Model S at ll cents a KW you are paying roughly 1/3 the amount for fuel to travel the same distance.

Granted there are lots of variables both ways. I mean you have engine maintenance on the regular car but you also have battery replacement on the Tesla. You'll pay a premium for electricity on the road and there is a matter of waiting for it to charge. But that 35mpg sedan probably doesn't go from 0-60 in 4.2 seconds and run a 12.6 1/4 mile either.
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Electric motors are much more efficient, electricity is recoverable under braking, electricity doesn't have to be a burned fuel. There are a lot of reasons electricity CAN be green.
How often do these cars require a charging? From what I understand it is quite frequent. Also since these cars are $70k+, are they really that efficient in the long run? Seems like a fad they are trying to capture more than a real cause.
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Old 02-28-2014, 04:04 PM   #31
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Price has nothing to do with emissions or green power.
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How often do these cars require a charging? From what I understand it is quite frequent. Also since these cars are $70k+, are they really that efficient in the long run? Seems like a fad they are trying to capture more than a real cause.
It depends on how and how far you drive. The bigger battery goes about 300 miles and will recharge fully overnight. Most people that commute can get away with charging it every few days. They also have stations setup that can swap the battery in under 5 minutes for a full one and there are other charging stations that can charge it completely in 2 hours.

For their target market, say hipster Austin it works out well. You can commute from there to Houston and swap batteries and come back, or you can park it at their service facility and get a complete charge while you have lunch or go shopping. Park it at the airport and charge, park it at the zoo, most hotels, many theme parks, etc....
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Price has nothing to do with emissions or green power.
There's also cost efficiency. And it's going to be hard to beat a $1500 Geo Prizm.
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Old 02-28-2014, 04:36 PM   #34
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I'm strictly talking about the green movement that YOU brought up. Focus son!!!!11!!1
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I am here to tell you that Elon Musk has his shit together. So much so that he has the backing of a lot of influential people. His goal with the new factory is a much cheaper battery and a $35K car that can go 200 miles on a single charge.
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Old 02-28-2014, 04:43 PM   #36
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I'm all for that!
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Old 02-28-2014, 04:46 PM   #37
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I'm strictly talking about the green movement that YOU brought up. Focus son!!!!11!!1
It's both really. Most of these greenies complain that gas is so high, well there is a correlation. If gas is so high, driving one of these, gas would seem really low after the initial cost of ownership.
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Old 02-28-2014, 06:34 PM   #38
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As these become more popular, fuel tax revenue will continue to drop and thus, we are about to get a higher gas tax, more road usage fees and more toll roads.
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As these become more popular, fuel tax revenue will continue to drop and thus, we are about to get a higher gas tax, more road usage fees and more toll roads.
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Electric motors are much more efficient, electricity is recoverable under braking, electricity doesn't have to be a burned fuel. There are a lot of reasons electricity CAN be green.

My back ground is automotive engineering and I say that you are beyond brain dead if you believe any of the crap that you just posted.
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