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  • Excellent article on the right to keep and bear arms

    A MINORITY VIEW
    BY WALTER E. WILLIAMS
    RELEASE: WEDNESDAY, JULY 1, 2015

    Constitutional Ignorance and Dereliction

    The nation’s demagogues and constitutionally ignorant are using the Charleston, South Carolina, AME church shooting to attack the Second Amendment’s “right of the people to keep and bear Arms.” A couple of years ago, President Barack Obama said, "I have a profound respect for the traditions of hunting that trace back in this country for generations." That’s a vision shared by many Americans, namely that the Constitution’s framers gave us the Second Amendment to protect our rights to go deer and duck hunting, do a bit of skeet shooting, and protect ourselves against criminals. That this vision is so widely held reflects the failure of gun rights advocates, such as the NRA and Gun Owners of America, to educate the American people. The following are some statements by the Founding Fathers. You tell me which one of them suggests that they gave us the Second Amendment for deer and duck hunting and protection against criminals.
    Alexander Hamilton said, “The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed," adding later, "If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no recourse left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government.” What institution was Hamilton referring to when he said “the representatives of the people”?
    Thomas Jefferson: “What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms." Who are the rulers Jefferson had in mind?
    James Madison, the "Father of the Constitution," said, “(The Constitution preserves) the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation ... (where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms.”
    George Mason, author of the Virginia Bill of Rights, which served as inspiration for the U.S. Constitution’s Bill of Rights, said, “To disarm the people -- that was the best and most effectual way to enslave them,” later saying, “I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials.”
    Richard Henry Lee said, “To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them.”
    Here’s a much more recent statement from a liberal, bearing no kinship to today’s liberals/progressives: The late Vice President Hubert H. Humphrey said, “Certainly, one of the chief guarantees of freedom under any government, no matter how popular and respected, is the right of the citizen to keep and bear arms. ... The right of the citizen to bear arms is just one guarantee against arbitrary government, one more safeguard against the tyranny which now appears remote in America but which historically has proven to be always possible."
    There are some historical anti-gun statements that might please America’s gun grabbers. "Armas para que?" (Translated: "Guns, for what?") That’s how Fidel Castro saw the right of citizens to possess guns. There’s a more famous anti-gun statement: "The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing." That was Adolf Hitler.
    At the heart of the original American ideal is the deep distrust and suspicion the founders of our nation had for Congress, distrust and suspicion not shared as much by today’s Americans. Some of the founders’ distrust is seen in our Constitution’s language, such as Congress shall not abridge, infringe, deny, disparage, violate or deny. If the founders did not believe Congress would abuse our God-given rights, they would not have provided those protections.
    Maybe there are Americans who would argue that we are moving toward greater liberty and less government control over our lives and no longer need to remain an armed citizenry. I’d like to see their evidence.

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    I prefer my speech:

    "Shall not be infringed, motherfuckers."








    Originally posted by lincolnboy
    After watching Games of Thrones, makes me glad i was not born in those years.

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    • #3
      Alex that is the most thoughtful and heart felt speech I have ever heard in my life. I am so moved by it I cannot express in words how I feel. That was deep and definitely came from the heart.
      Last edited by red89notch; 07-02-2015, 07:14 PM.
      Originally posted by Marisa
      we women are all irrational and emotional and insane...some just hide it better than others.

      truth.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by red89notch View Post
        Alex that is the most thoughtful and heart felt speach I have ever heard in my life. I am so moved by it I cannot express in words how I feel. That was deep and definitely came from the heart.
        Originally posted by lincolnboy
        After watching Games of Thrones, makes me glad i was not born in those years.

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        • #5
          SC281 must be checking his AOL account today with all these threads.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Magnus View Post
            SC281 must be checking his AOL account today with all these threads.
            Sure am. Does the fact someone else wrote it make it any less valid?

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            • #7
              I know I've said it before and it bears repeating, what part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand?

              I heard that one of the founding fathers also said, "The beauty of the 2nd amendment is that it isn't even needed, until they try to take it away."

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              • #8
                Originally posted by sc281 View Post
                Sure am. Does the fact someone else wrote it make it any less valid?
                Its usually done by people who don't cite sources, or fact check, and just forward on/post any email they want.

                Pretty lame.
                Last edited by CexMashean; 07-02-2015, 08:19 PM.
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                • #9
                  So, I'm reading this again, feeling all patriotic and full of the 2nd and I think to myself. "Do the liberals use the same practice to try and take our guns?" In other words, since I'm not well read in the Liberal front, I am curious to know if they cite our founding fathers in a similar, but opposite direction?
                  Originally posted by Taya Kyle, American Gun
                  There comes a time when honest debate, serious diplomatic efforts, and logical arguments have been exhausted and only men and women willing to take up arms against evil will suffice to save the freedom of a nation or continent.

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                  • #10
                    "Self-government won't work without self-discipline." - Paul Harvey

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by sc281 View Post
                      Sure am. Does the fact someone else wrote it make it any less valid?
                      Here on this site, absolutely. In the real world, nope

                      Originally posted by AnthonyS View Post
                      "The beauty of the 2nd amendment is that it isn't even needed, until they try to take it away."
                      They've been doing it by degrees for a while now, I'm of the belief that even a conceal and carry license is illegal as per the constitution. All this BS telling you what you can and can't carry is nothing but pure fear on the part of the gubbermint. Which they were meant to feel. I like it when they feel fear.

                      Originally posted by Darren M View Post
                      I'm not well read in the Liberal front, I am curious to know if they cite our founding fathers in a similar, but opposite direction?
                      They wait awhile and spit the exact same thing conservatives are saying, back out as propaganda. May take em a few months, or a year, but you'll hear them saying it. All the talking points get twisted, and reused to reflect their views. This I've noticed. Just listen to a little bit of it. It shows you just how little they really have.
                      WH

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Gasser64 View Post
                        They've been doing it by degrees for a while now, I'm of the belief that even a conceal and carry license is illegal as per the constitution. All this BS telling you what you can and can't carry is nothing but pure fear on the part of the gubbermint. Which they were meant to feel. I like it when they feel fear.
                        You, sir, are 100% correct. That's why I get pissed when anyone else "infringes" further upon our rights. What part of "shall not be infringed" is so damn confusing? Our Constitutional rights are being stripped away bit by bit by municipalities, states, and Congress routinely and the Supreme Court is simply not doing it's job. There are tons of "laws" now on the books that should've been stricken null and void by the courts.

                        This is a prime example of how education and the educational system is failing our country. The founders had very good reason for writing the Constitution the way they did. They agreed on the amendments to guarantee and ensure the inalienable rights. Today the average moron walking the streets is willing to give up all of their rights, and insists that my rights should be taken away too, so that they can "feel safe." Well their "feeling" is nothing but an illusion that seems correct, because they are stupid. The reality is that only you can ensure your own safety, but having the easy means by which to ensure your own safety makes liberals uncomfortable.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by AnthonyS View Post
                          The reality is that only you can ensure your own safety, but having the easy means by which to ensure your own safety makes liberals uncomfortable.
                          It really goes even beyond that. Having a world view that is grounded in reality, gives them thoughts of suicide. If they can't at least pretend that utopia is coming, and is at least partially here, they don't seem to want to live in this world anymore.

                          Odd thing is, utopia actually is coming. Its just unlikely that it will be in their lifetimes. If we last long enough, technology will bring on a utopia, what some refer to as "the golden age of man". Liberals not being able to see more than a mm past the end of the lenses on their eyeballs, don't know this and thus can't wait to do everything possible to create it now. They're a dying breed, and they due to their extreme short sightedness, they can't even realize that. Personal responsibility will always and forever be held in high esteem by the well adjusted and the sane. When technology reaches a certain point, leftism will just be a history lesson. There won't be any more "victims" for them to champion.
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