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Old 02-08-2019, 02:18 PM   #1
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This morning, Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez released an
overview of her “Green New Deal” which threatens "a massive transformation of our society." Below are the details of the proposal.

Rebuild every single building in the U.S.
“Upgrade or replace every building in US for state-of-the-art energy efficiency.”

Will end all traditional forms of energy in the next ten years.
The Green New Deal is “a 10-year plan to mobilize every aspect of American society at a scale not seen since World War 2 to achieve net-zero greenhouse gas emissions.”

Plans to ban nuclear energy within 10 years if possible.
“It’s unclear if we will be able to decommission every nuclear plant within 10 years, but the plan is to transition off of nuclear and all fossil fuels as soon as possible.”

Build trains across oceans and end all air travel!
“Build out highspeed rail at a scale where air travel stops becoming necessary”.

Don’t invest in new technology of Carbon Capture and Storage, just plant trees instead!
“We believe the right way to capture carbon is to plant trees and restore our natural ecosystems. CCUS technology to date has not proven effective.”

Mandates all new jobs be unionized.
“Ensure that all GND jobs are union jobs that pay prevailing wages and hire local.”

May include a carbon tax.
“We’re not ruling a carbon tax out, but a carbon tax would be a tiny part of a Green New Deal.”

May include cap and trade.
“…Cap and trade may be a tiny part of the larger Green New Deal plan.”

How much will it cost?
No estimate of the total cost of implementing the Green New deal is offered by Ocasio-Cortez.
However, as Ocasio-Cortez admits, “even if every billionaire and company came together and were willing to pour all the resources at their disposal into this investment, the aggregate value of the investments they could make would not be sufficient.”
She does provide one estimate that the cost to “repair and upgrade infrastructure U.S. infrastructure” alone will cost “$4.6 trillion at minimum.”

How will it be paid for? Don’t worry about that.
Ocasio-Cortez doesn’t provide any insight into how the trillions of dollars in spending will be paid for other than claiming, “The Federal Reserve can extend credit to power these projects and investments and new public banks can be created to extend credit”.
But as Ocasio-Cortez says, “the question isn’t how will we pay for it, but what will we do with our new shared prosperity”.
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Old 02-08-2019, 02:34 PM   #3
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Not sure what revision they're on now, but the original was a fucking mess. Included things like

"100% of national power generation from renewable sources;"
"building a national, energy-efficient, “smart” grid"
"funding massive investment in the drawdown and capture of greenhouse gases"
AND
" The select committee shall complete the Plan for a Green New Deal by a date no later than January 1, 2020."

One year to come up with an executable plan to rebuild the grid and take us from 17.5% renewable to 100% renewable electricity. It's almost like she's nothing more than an idealist with no real-world experience... /s

Oh, and then there are the small little details at the bottom:
" job guarantee program to assure a living wage job to every person who wants one "
" additional measures such as basic income programs, universal health care programs and any others as the select committee may deem appropriate to promote economic security, labor market flexibility and entrepreneurism; "
etc, etc.


It's an open-ended grab bag of shit.
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Not sure what revision they're on now, but the original was a fucking mess. Included things like

"100% of national power generation from renewable sources;"
"building a national, energy-efficient, “smart” grid"
"funding massive investment in the drawdown and capture of greenhouse gases"
AND
" The select committee shall complete the Plan for a Green New Deal by a date no later than January 1, 2020."

One year to come up with an executable plan to rebuild the grid and take us from 17.5% renewable to 100% renewable electricity. It's almost like she's nothing more than an idealist with no real-world experience... /s

Oh, and then there are the small little details at the bottom:
" job guarantee program to assure a living wage job to every person who wants one "
" additional measures such as basic income programs, universal health care programs and any others as the select committee may deem appropriate to promote economic security, labor market flexibility and entrepreneurism; "
etc, etc.

It's what you would get if you asked for opinions from a five year old girl, raised by hippies.
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Old 02-08-2019, 03:38 PM   #7
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" job guarantee program to assure a living wage job to every person who wants one "

That doesn't mean a living wage to anyone willing to work. It just means a living wage. You don't have to work to get it if you don't want to.

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Not sure what revision they're on now, but the original was a fucking mess. Included things like

"100% of national power generation from renewable sources;"
"building a national, energy-efficient, “smart” grid"
"funding massive investment in the drawdown and capture of greenhouse gases"
AND
" The select committee shall complete the Plan for a Green New Deal by a date no later than January 1, 2020."

One year to come up with an executable plan to rebuild the grid and take us from 17.5% renewable to 100% renewable electricity. It's almost like she's nothing more than an idealist with no real-world experience... /s

Oh, and then there are the small little details at the bottom:
" job guarantee program to assure a living wage job to every person who wants one "
" additional measures such as basic income programs, universal health care programs and any others as the select committee may deem appropriate to promote economic security, labor market flexibility and entrepreneurism; "
etc, etc.


It's an open-ended grab bag of shit.

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Old 02-08-2019, 03:58 PM   #8
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Anyone have a cost estimate on building multiple rail bridges to cross the oceans?

I'll hang up and listen.
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Old 02-08-2019, 04:06 PM   #10
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Imaginary Superhero Captain Planet Criticizes Green New Deal For Being Unrealistic





In a statement released Friday, famed environmental hero Captain Planet and his Planeteers attempted to distance themselves from the radical, far-left Green New Deal proposal, criticizing the sweeping legislative mandate as "unrealistic" and "implausible."



Five cartoon teenagers gathered in front of the Capitol Building, pulled out their rings, and shouted, "Earth! Fire! Wind! Water!" and the best power of all, "Heart!" in order to summon the captain to make his official statement on the Green New Deal.

"Frankly, this proposal just isn't realistic at all," said the imaginary cartoon hero. "It would probably be a lot more plausible if the Dems would just try to summon me using the magic rings of five diverse teenagers. That would definitely be a lot more achievable than eliminating cows, cars, and airplanes by next week."

"We believe the Democrats need to go back to the drawing board and come up with something more realistic," said the animated environmentalist superhero before flying off to battle the notorious Doctor Blight.
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Old 02-08-2019, 05:02 PM   #11
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I think that they shouldn't give them a chance to realize and correct or adjust their ridiculous ideas. It would be better to wait and use it against them before the next elections.
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I think that they shouldn't give them a chance to realize and correct or adjust their ridiculous ideas. It would be better to wait and use it against them before the next elections.
1) By the end of the Green New Deal resolution (and accompanying fact sheet) I was laughing so hard I nearly cried. If a bunch of GOPers plotted to forge a fake Democratic bill showing how bonkers the party is, they could not have done a better job. It is beautiful. #GreenNewDeal

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Old 02-09-2019, 06:49 AM   #13
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Don’t underestimate her. She is not like Pelosi and Schumer. She’s not in this for money or power. She is a real deal commie and believes this shit. She could die poor and hungry and be happy about it as long as she knew that she advanced communism in America.
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Old 02-09-2019, 06:54 AM   #14
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Watch and listen carefully. She’s not as dumb as she puts on.

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Somebody should find this girls vert while she is in it and roll coal all over her ass!! YouTube it
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So, she just laid out the game plan of the average career politician. What's new?

Just because it's possible for the President to not follow the rule, doesn't mean Trump is guilty, as she was trying to conclude.

That mouse voice is sooo hard to listen to.

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FWIW, Pelosi announced the members of the new climate select committee, and AOC is not on the roster.
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Old 02-09-2019, 07:45 AM   #18
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not in it for the money ?? she's already became a millionaire . i remember a lot of the dumb shit from the 60's . they were all for it until they figured out they would be paying for it .
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I've said it many times that there is a lot that the hard left and the right can agree on.

The fact that crony capitalism , corporations and the wealthy buying largesse from those in power is bad is one of them.

In fact, here's one of the great moments in Presidential politics, Trump in the 2016 GOP primary debates pulling back the curtain and showing our corrupt govt's ass to The People. Openly saying he buys politicians on both sides so he gets favors. Showing the governing class for the corrupt, money-grubbing sleazebags they are.



Another is politicians, after their entire careers making $174k/yr with D.C. living expenses, have somehow been able to accumulate tens and in some cases hundreds of millions of dollars of wealth.

Politicians like Diane Feinstein D, Barack Obama D, Bill and Hillary Clinton D, Mitch McConnell R, Chuck Shumer.D, Paul Ryan R, Harry Reid D, John Boehner R, Etc, etc, etc..

Hell, even Bernie and Red Cortez -who claim to hate it, are in on it once it benefits them.

Bernie cucked out to Hillary and got his third house out of it. He also wouldn't refund any donations made to him before he did it.

Red Cortez now has a documentary made about her that Netflix just bought for $10 million. That money won't go to her, yet. But who's to say that AOC won't get hired by Netflix like Netflix did for Barack Obama or she won't hit the speaking circuit like ole Hilldawg?

But I am glad that this partisanship on both sides is exposing the govt for what it is. It has certainly changed my views and cleared me of some of the dogmatic views I didn't even know I had.

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She is a real deal commie and believes this shit.
She's (and others like her) got enemies on all sides now. The dem establishment can't take this kind of thing, not and still survive. The old guard don't like her at all, cause she wants them to actually walk the retarded walk. The dem establishment just wants to throw crumbs to the socialists, progressives, and commies. Just as the repubs have always done with us. Lie to us, stab us in the back, and throw us crumbs to fool us into not being too unruly and throwing their sorry asses out.

I really like that she's fucking things up for the dems. I hope she comes out with a new ridiculous proposal every month. This female forrest gump could be a blessing in disguise.
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