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Old 02-19-2015, 08:47 PM   #161
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Think bigger and more long term.

City provided internet most likely would be handled like power companies in bigger citys.

One entity running the physical "plumbing" and termination points for a neighborhood, and connected into the larger internet on the back end with some high speed tunnels that are participating in BGP,etc.

You would have a list of companies to get internet from directly, and they would be setup to deal with Customer Service stuff - customer home installs, helping grandma get setup, making payments to, answering the phone when your internet is slow and you want to complain. - I don't see the City taking this part on.

Getting internet from the city, through city infrastructure, you can be charged anything. It will be slow. Then regulation would come. Then tax would come. Like Porn? TAX. Like youtube? TAX.

BTW - Fine print, the city monitors all of your internet traffic under the guise of Security because the electrical grid controls to the city happens to sit on the same network or China is trying to mix in some hacking inside a DDoS attack or any list of 1000 more legitimate "reasons".

Legislation could decide certain Web Sites are a threat to national Security and block them within a second or less across the whole "city-provided" internet. If we had a "disaster" or "threat" every web site could be changed to fema.org in a second.

It is too intrusive, it gives too much power, that is what I fear. You guys should too.

Presumably isp/corps would get their satellite internet game up to par or at 80% capacity of city internet to keep making money and fill the gap of being connected. They would also fill the gap where the city could not provide internet.
What makes you think that the government would nationalize the internet?
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Old 02-19-2015, 08:52 PM   #162
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thats all you have?
No, actually.
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Old 02-19-2015, 08:53 PM   #163
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No, actually.
And others are focused on the thought that there is no possible way that letting the corps run wild is a bad thing.
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Old 02-19-2015, 09:30 PM   #164
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What makes you think that the government would nationalize the internet?
History. Government, left alone, seizes all forms of communication and creates a monopoly just as it did with force. Remember back before government took over student loans, mortgages and banking?
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Old 02-19-2015, 09:32 PM   #165
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Protip: Not everything has to draw a profit to have value and worth.
No, you're right. When you're backed by the government, you can fail completely in every aspect and expand. NPR, EPA, DHS, TSA, FCC.
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History. Government, left alone, seizes all forms of communication and creates a monopoly just as it did with force. Remember back before government took over student loans, mortgages and banking?
That's odd, I don't remember any phone system ever being taken over by the government. Where are you getting this information from, thin air?

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No, you're right. When you're backed by the government, you can fail completely in every aspect and expand. NPR, EPA, DHS, TSA, FCC.
You ever heard of a public service? NPR was never meant to draw a profit, but to provide a service. The EPA, DHS, TSA and FCC are all pure expenditure agencies. What's your beef with NPR, because their listeners are typically more informed than others?
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Old 02-19-2015, 10:36 PM   #167
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What's your beef with NPR, because their listeners are typically more informed than others?
Debatable, since there is a lot of left of center leaning that likes to ignore some factual information. An example they are horrible on their 'factual' presentations when it comes to firearms
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Old 02-20-2015, 04:24 AM   #168
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What's your beef with NPR, because their listeners are typically more informed than others?


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Old 02-20-2015, 07:47 AM   #169
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That's odd, I don't remember any phone system ever being taken over by the government. Where are you getting this information from, thin air?



You ever heard of a public service? NPR was never meant to draw a profit, but to provide a service. The EPA, DHS, TSA and FCC are all pure expenditure agencies. What's your beef with NPR, because their listeners are typically more informed than others?
The phone system isn't taken over by government? You're saying the NSA doesn't monitor every call and text? Tell me how it's not taken over.

I have heard of public service, not sure you have. NPR is a loss and provides nothing of value that cannot be gotten by any number of private sector avenues. You want news? AM or FM radio. NPR is unconstitutional and a waste of money. What service do they provide and I would like statistics on NPR listeners being more informed as well as where I may find differing opinions on NPR. I mean, NPR has a host that discusses corruption in NPR and their slant right?
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The phone system isn't taken over by government? You're saying the NSA doesn't monitor every call and text? Tell me how it's not taken over.
So if you're at home and your child overhears a conversation between your wife and you, has your child taken over your conversation?

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I have heard of public service, not sure you have. NPR is a loss and provides nothing of value that cannot be gotten by any number of private sector avenues. You want news? AM or FM radio. NPR is unconstitutional and a waste of money. What service do they provide and I would like statistics on NPR listeners being more informed as well as where I may find differing opinions on NPR. I mean, NPR has a host that discusses corruption in NPR and their slant right?
Yeah, I want to listen to AM radio for my news. Rush Limbaugh is EXACTLY who I want to hear.

http://publicmind.fdu.edu/2011/knowless/

You should KNOW you're fucking up when, as a news agency, the people who view your news are less informed than people who view no news. I'm looking at you, Fox News.
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The analogies you people come up with are hilarious.

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Old 02-20-2015, 11:25 AM   #172
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So if you're at home and your child overhears a conversation between your wife and you, has your child taken over your conversation?



Yeah, I want to listen to AM radio for my news. Rush Limbaugh is EXACTLY who I want to hear.

http://publicmind.fdu.edu/2011/knowless/

You should KNOW you're fucking up when, as a news agency, the people who view your news are less informed than people who view no news. I'm looking at you, Fox News.
You are saying the NSA overhears and don't record everything? You thin Rush is the only one on am?
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Old 02-20-2015, 11:36 AM   #173
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History. Government, left alone, seizes all forms of communication and creates a monopoly just as it did with force. Remember back before government took over student loans, mortgages and banking?
"Well he's a fool its just as well if it gives him hell"
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Old 02-20-2015, 11:51 AM   #174
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Dont most subdivisions only have one fiber provider already?
Its a mix. The wiki article below does a god job of explaining the status.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Municipal_broadband

I would imagine if the infrastructure can support the speed needs, it will be used, otherwise re-run it all.

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What makes you think that the government would nationalize the internet?
It's not nationalizing the internet, that would be creating the great firewall of the US. (similar to the great firewall of China/Golden Shield) IE. block the rest of the world.

It would be laying the technical framework to be able to make a wide brush stroke affect on all municipal provided internets.

Homeland Security is responsible for the CyberSecurity aspects of the gov, they would make the centralized policies and procedures and roll them down the hill. They would be the central point for processing all information and launching counter-measures. Detection and mitigation.
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You are saying the NSA overhears and don't record everything?
This isn't an answer to my question. Stop sidestepping my question and answer it.

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It's not nationalizing the internet, that would be creating the great firewall of the US. (similar to the great firewall of China/Golden Shield) IE. block the rest of the world.

It would be laying the technical framework to be able to make a wide brush stroke affect on all municipal provided internets.

Homeland Security is responsible for the CyberSecurity aspects of the gov, they would make the centralized policies and procedures and roll them down the hill. They would be the central point for processing all information and launching counter-measures. Detection and mitigation.
What brush stroke are you talking about? Maybe I'm not reading what you've said correctly, but it doesn't seem that what you've said here makes much sense.
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You are comparing my child picking up my phone and hearing something I said to the NSA listening to calls in violation of the constitution.

Explain the similarities. I can spank my child and tell them stay off my phone, do I have that option with the NSA?
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You are comparing my child picking up my phone and hearing something I said to the NSA listening to calls in violation of the constitution.

Explain the similarities. I can spank my child and tell them stay off my phone, do I have that option with the NSA?
Sure you do, vote out the people who support the nsa. That's how all of this works, right?
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Sure you do, vote out the people who support the nsa. That's how all of this works, right?
Yes. Voting is a constitutional right, overthrowing the government isn't.
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Old 02-20-2015, 09:10 PM   #179
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I like how Fox News is always the bad guy. If people weren't sick of decades of bias from liberal journalists, Fox News wouldn't even exist. What better proof of that do you need other than the ratings?
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Old 02-20-2015, 09:22 PM   #180
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I like how Fox News is always the bad guy. If people weren't sick of decades of bias from liberal journalists, Fox News wouldn't even exist. What better proof of that do you need other than the ratings?
Fox News was the first news organization to the heavily partisan game and MSNBC tried to follow suit on the liberal side. I don't even know what you're talking about.

Fox News is the bad guy because they're constantly wrong, a LOT wrong. It's astounding how wrong they are.
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