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Originally posted by DOHCTR View PostAlso the time after the civil war was probably the worst time in our history.
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Originally posted by talisman View PostI don't understand being blindly loyal to anything, especially a fucking POLITICAL PARTY. Seeing dumbass bumper stickers like "Texas Democrat" or "Republicans are the coolest dudes ever" makes me want to punch babies.
I'd absolutely love to see Michelle Bachman and Ron Paul on the same ticket running as GOP candidates. Of the current crop of presidential candidates they seem to be the only ones willing to take the steps necessary to get us back on the right track. Everyone else is going to go wherever the money is.
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I think in terms of the markets, we are seeing a lot of panic selling for no real reason, businesses have capital and credit, earnings have been steady. I think the market is oversold in many aspects, its just a question of when will the panic stop.
when you look at other aspects of society, particularly the middle and working class, in the last few decades the cost of living has gone up, but wages have not. jobs are few and far between, and to often are these people forced to change careers.
another problem that we have not seen before in our society is the massive number of recent college grads who are unable to find work in their fields. where is this going to lead our country?
is this the worst period in american history, I think at least for the middle class it is.
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I would say that now is a function of how soft we have become. If the recession dips again and goes into a depression I would say that our fate hangs on how hard we can become.
The political system needs a mega-reset with people that don't give a rat's ass about reelection and are driven by the prosperity of the people in this nation, all people, that will ultimately benefit the country. The amount of people that do not pay tax needs to drop from 48% to under 5% (counting retards and over 75 farts). If you are able, you work. If you work, you pay.
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Originally posted by white trash wagon View PostFinincially,the late 70's- early 80's were worse....13% inflation, interest rates hit 21%, unemployment was 10%...gold hit $850 and gas was $1.60 a gallon - if you adjust for 32 years of inflation those prices are higher than now.
Chrysler & Lockheed got government bailouts, the Savings & Loan Crisis where 25% of all US S&L's went out of business, not to mention bank bailouts .....and I remember talk of monetary collapse - as in in the US dollar.
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Financially,the late 70's- early 80's were worse....13% inflation, interest rates hit 21%, unemployment was 10%...gold hit $850 and gas was $1.60 a gallon - if you adjust for 32 years of inflation those prices are higher than now.
Chrysler & Lockheed got government bailouts, the Savings & Loan Crisis where 25% of all US S&L's went out of business, not to mention bank bailouts .....and I remember talk of monetary collapse - as in the US dollar.Last edited by white trash wagon; 08-08-2011, 07:35 PM.
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Guest repliedI don't understand being blindly loyal to anything, especially a fucking POLITICAL PARTY. Seeing dumbass bumper stickers like "Texas Democrat" or "Republicans are the coolest dudes ever" makes me want to punch babies.
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I think the division in our political system is so bad now there is a deeper canyon in the division of our society. You have left on one side and right on the other. Hell my own sister won't speak to the rest of the family because she is an Obama nutswinger and a democrat. That choice to not speak to us is on her and we don't even talk politics in the house around her.
I think it is a party line that will be a long time before it is fixed.
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This country has seen worse. The thing that concerns me now is the division in our political system. These clowns can't do anything right. I don't trust them to get us back on the right path.
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Originally posted by Broncojohnny View PostToday's stock market didn't prove anything except that people are scared little lemmings. When economic data comes out and says we are in a recession then you can panic. That will be six months from now.
And just to let you know, most recessions are triggered by a lack of credit. That doesn't exist today. We are also about to have a lot of people with money in their pockets, oil futures are at $79 right now.
I'd say September 11, 2001 and the period shortly thereafter was the worst time recently. Mainly because the stock market was just as scared on top of the worst terrorist attack ever on our soil.
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The presidency of James Buchanan was much, much worse. Also the time after the civil war was probably the worst time in our history. The Gilded Age as it is called is what I consider the lost portion of our history.
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Today's stock market didn't prove anything except that people are scared little lemmings. When economic data comes out and says we are in a recession then you can panic. That will be six months from now.
And just to let you know, most recessions are triggered by a lack of credit. That doesn't exist today. We are also about to have a lot of people with money in their pockets, oil futures are at $79 right now.
I'd say September 11, 2001 and the period shortly thereafter was the worst time recently. Mainly because the stock market was just as scared on top of the worst terrorist attack ever on our soil.
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