Evidently, you CAN push someone too far

[SS Junk]

Neither. I am using information provided to make a statement that is backed up by the information I have.

You said:

Actually, he's shot fewer innocents than the police.

The statement you now make specifies you are only referencing the current situation unlike the generic statement above. The above reads like you are saying he has shot fewer innocents period, past or present.

[Vertnut]

The mayor announced it earlier, so we'll see.

[Trip McNeely]

I see they have now put out a $1 million bounty on him.

LOL! I guess they are going to write you an IOU? Like they can afford to pay that out.

[Vertnut]

I see they have now put out a $1 million bounty on him.

[Forever_frost]

"Any single man must judge for himself whether circumstances warrant obedience or resistance to the commands of the civil magistrate; we are all qualified, entitled, and morally obliged to evaluate the conduct of our rulers. This political judgment, moreover, is not simply or primarily a right, but like self-preservation, a duty to God. As such it is a judgment that men cannot part with according to the God of Nature. It is the first and foremost of our inalienable rights without which we can preserve no other."
John Locke (1632-1704) English philosopher and political theorist

[SMEGMA STENCH]

People have a fascination with killing someone (or something in case of a company, entity, or government) who doesn't agree with them or that has wronged them in some form. I find that disturbing.

There comes a point where its the only answer. You may perceive that people just jump to it as an answer, but I don't. I think that in this man's mind, he'd exhausted all options. He perceived a dire wrong that was never going to be rectified, ever. This ate at him so much he couldn't take it anymore. His core beliefs of equality and justice had been trampled and shit on, even if only in his mind. Now if all that were completely real, then I'd have to say that he's in the right. Although looking at the manifesto, it would appear that much of it may be a construct of his own mind that he should have just blown off.

He could have raked them over the coals in another way using evidence and the media if he'd wanted, and had a real case. Then again, its not like that would have changed anything. We're dealing with a government entity that refuses to change and insists its right. Last I heard that's called tyranny. Just my .02

[Forever_frost]

Like you, I have no fist hand knowledge of his career or who he may have been in confrontations with. Therefore I am not going to try and argue with a crap statement about how many innocents have been killed. You really this dense or are you grasping?

Neither. I am using information provided to make a statement that is backed up by the information I have. You say it's a crap statement yet offer no conflicting information. The issue is, you're having an emotional response because these are cops shooting citizens. If it was anyone else you would be agreeing with me.

My statement: Police in pursuit of Dorner have shot 2 trucks, actively shot one woman in the hand and another in the back twice. They also, prior to shooting the second truck, slammed into the rear of it with their squad so hard it ripped the back axle off. These people were not ordered out of their vehicles nor were guilty of any crime. The police in question also arrested a man working out because they 'thought' it was Dorner and then took 30 minutes to figure out he's not Dorner.

Dorner on the other hand has shot the daughter of the chief of police and her fiance', killing them both. Everyone else he's shot were in uniform and part of the police department.

Do you have any information that would prove me wrong? In this instance I'm drinking in all the information I can get my hands on. I look forward to you assisting me in staying abreast of this

[SS Junk]

I'm using available information. Do you have conflicting information?

Like you, I have no fist hand knowledge of his career or who he may have been in confrontations with. Therefore I am not going to try and argue with a crap statement about how many innocents have been killed. You really this dense or are you grasping?

[mikec]

Everyone is all up in arms about the Feds drawing up plans and ROE for killing an american citizen...

What is an appropriate response for this?


Just curious...

[mikec]

Plain and simple, the dude is a damn murderer. I do not see any real justification for his actions. He deserves no quarter from anyone on this board.

However, you can definitely sense frustration from many members of this board. I think the LAPD is finding few sympathizers in this drama. That lack of support is of their own doing.

It could be said that this is a precursor for the fight that is brewing between the citizenry and our government, right now.

Yes, he's a murderer. And no, he should receive no quarter. That said, he is striking out against the perceived injustice(s) in the only manner that he has available. Again, those people shouldn't have been killed, I do not support their loss of life. But, I understand why he did it, wish he had been able to find a more appropriate target. Maybe a mediator would have been able to more appropriately get his point across!

And oh the irony of a libtard being the one to do the unspeakable. Just as in so many of the other shootings, it was a lib that did it.

And fuck the crooked police and governmental agencies. It is these very people that have brought our society to such a crossroad as this. And that is the biggest shame here, that our 'protectors' have allowed themselves to be so absolutely corrupted that any of these conversations that are occurring with more and more regularity is the real tragedy.