no more abortions!

[GhostTX]

You don't know much about pregnancies, do you?

I've got 3 kids. How many do you have? I'd wager you don't know how a baby get it's nutrient, nor the fact that the baby and mother's blood never touch nor how the placenta works.

Neither, as it's a choice made to terminate a parasitic invasion. We do it countless times per day in issuing antibiotics and performing surgery to remove foreign objects.

You are way off to classify a human life in the same category as a virus or amoeba. Neither one of those grow into something more than it's simplistic single cell. A fetus grows into something more. Heck, a fetus IS something more. The end goal of a parasite HAS to have the host to live. The end goal of a fetus is to become independent.

[racrguy]

A fetus doesn't hijack every function, in fact, it grows independently of the mother. Mom, simplistically, is an eggshell and a yolk.

You don't know much about pregnancies, do you?

Per the penal code: intentional killing of a fetus is murder and unintentional killing of a fetus is manslaughter. Which one is abortion?

Neither, as it's a choice made to terminate a parasitic invasion. We do it countless times per day in issuing antibiotics and performing surgery to remove foreign objects.

You're right. It's an individual according to the law.

Only in the context I provided earlier.

[Denny]

Then what exactly do you mean when you state "laws of man." Typically when people use phrases like that they're talking about religious laws.

If the courts ruled the fetus to be a person, would you still be for it?

Only religion I see here is man dictating a justifiable murder.

I know of several non-believers against abortion. Are you going to use your "It's just your stupid religion" bullshit with them as well?

[GhostTX]

I agree, now explain how something that cannot survive without hijacking every single bodily function from another being is life.

A fetus doesn't hijack every function, in fact, it grows independently of the mother. Mom, simplistically, is an eggshell and a yolk.

You're going to need to provide more context, as that is the penal code. I think where they're going with that is the angle of injuring a pregnant mother and killing the fetus being murder.

Per the penal code: intentional killing of a fetus is murder and unintentional killing of a fetus is manslaughter. Which one is abortion?

Because it's not a person.

You're right. It's an individual according to the law.

[racrguy]

It's not a religious issue.

Then what exactly do you mean when you state "laws of man." Typically when people use phrases like that they're talking about religious laws.

[Denny]

It's not a religious issue.

[racrguy]

I'd say it's MORE important to protect an innocent, fragile human life.

I agree, now explain how something that cannot survive without hijacking every single bodily function from another being is life.

Wrong.


(26) "Individual" means a human being who is alive, including an unborn child at every stage of gestation from fertilization until birth.
http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.u...E/htm/PE.1.htm

You're going to need to provide more context, as that is the penal code. I think where they're going with that is the angle of injuring a pregnant mother and killing the fetus being murder.

And yes, I'm baffled why this legal definition isn't used to defend a fetus in an abortion.

Because it's not a person.

Weak as laws of man

Your religious laws do not apply to me or anyone else unless they wish them to be.

[Denny]

Oh, I understand it completely. You just haven't justified your ban on abortions. Until the point of viability, there's no life to protect.


And the legal one as well.

Weak as laws of man

[GhostTX]

Oh, I understand it completely. You just haven't justified your ban on abortions. Until the point of viability, there's no life to protect.

I'd say it's MORE important to protect an innocent, fragile human life.

And the legal one as well.

Wrong.


(26) "Individual" means a human being who is alive, including an unborn child at every stage of gestation from fertilization until birth.

http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/PE/htm/PE.1.htm

And yes, I'm baffled why this legal definition isn't used to defend a fetus in an abortion.

[racrguy]

You can't wrap your head around that, can you?

Oh, I understand it completely. You just haven't justified your ban on abortions. Until the point of viability, there's no life to protect.

By your definition.

And the legal one as well.

Brent is right. Until Republicans stop worrying so goddamn much about people with different religious beliefs doing whatever they please with their body they are going to continue to get pummeled. It makes them look like fucking nut jobs some of these stances they take. It isnt the 1950's any more.

[Denny]

Those are crimes against people, a fetus is not a personCare to try again?

By your definition.

[GhostTX]

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You're hung up on a fetus not being a life to protect. I disagree. Texas, by and large, disagrees with you, as I've said. Just because there's no chalk outline to go by, doesn't mean a human life wasn't killed.

You should be all for supporting that couple in Hood County, after all, it was their moral beliefs to have it go that way.

Those are crimes against people, a fetus is not a person. Care to try again?

You can't wrap your head around that, can you?

[racrguy]

We already legislate morality. Murder? Theft? Those basics, no? Society deemed certain moral traits to go by to establish laws on those.

Those are crimes against people, a fetus is not a person. Care to try again?

[GhostTX]

Your morals apply to you. Do not attempt to force me to adhere to your morals. You cannot legislate morality, it doesn't work. People are going to do what they want to do, laws be damned. Look at all of the forms of prohibition over the last century. Do any of them ever work?

We already legislate morality. Murder? Theft? Those basics, no? Society deemed certain moral traits to go by to establish laws on those.

You're hung up on a fetus not being a life to protect. I disagree. Texas, by and large, disagrees with you, as I've said. Just because there's no chalk outline to go by, doesn't mean a human life wasn't killed.

You should be all for supporting that couple in Hood County, after all, it was their moral beliefs to have it go that way.