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  • mustang_revival
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    Originally posted by Chili View Post
    Besides, what is to "enforce"? They are sharing in information and planning. Not creating new laws to enforce.
    From the DOJ link http://www.justice.gov/opa/speech/at...united-nations

    - "At the same time, officials in the Greater Boston region are exploring the connection between criminal justice and public health by partnering with the Massachusetts Executive Office of Health and Human Services to tap their experience with violence prevention and intervention. "

    Health records being linked to folks of certain backgrounds in order to prevent violence and intervene is how it is worded directly, not made up.

    Again, I don't think a strongly worded letter or pamphlet will exactly prevent violence. It is worded they will work with local law enforcement to carry these things out.

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  • mustang_revival
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    Originally posted by SBFORDTECH View Post
    I think most would agree that 200,000 Syrian refugees pose a greater threat than veterans.
    I agree, but refugees also need things like food, water, shelter and to not get raped so if you can provide them that they are arguably easier to control.

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  • mustang_revival
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    Originally posted by Jewrrick View Post
    Crazy thought but stay with me here...Through existing Federal/State/Local (whichever the situation calls for) authorities?
    Originally posted by Chili View Post
    Exactly...
    In agreement. So this would give a global power ability to "Police" US citizens via local Federal/State/Local authorities WITHOUT applying US rights nor elected officials based on what they determine are extremists. And we've seen who they consider extremists.

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  • ceyko
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    Originally posted by Chili View Post
    That's because you're reasonable and intelligent. Unlike 90% of people that repost shit on FB and say "OMFG, can you believe what Obama is doing now??!?!?!?"
    Don't you dare insult me like that again you commie!

    Yeah, it pisses me off the memes that are all kinds of wrong - especially when I want them to be right.

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  • SBFORDTECH
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    Originally posted by mustang_revival View Post
    http://fas.org/irp/eprint/rightwing.pdf

    From page 2 - "(U//FOUO) The possible passage of new restrictions on firearms and the return of military veterans facing significant challenges reintegrating into their communities could lead to the potential emergence of terrorist groups or lone wolf extremists capable of carrying out violent attacks."

    These are one of the catagory of folks who could be considered extremest and would be on the radar.

    Yes I read ceyko's link, that's why I brought it up and asked how all this would be enforced.

    I think most would agree that 200,000 Syrian refugees pose a greater threat than veterans.

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  • Chili
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    Originally posted by ceyko View Post
    Personally, I try to maintain a mix of "not caring" and "being paranoid." I'll read about it, decide what I think about it and then move on.

    The current state of our country gives us plenty to be concerned about. I don't really see any good decisions being made.

    In general I think you're right, but like most things we each come to our own conclusions. I'd rather know about it, do my homework, monitor it and move on.
    That's because you're reasonable and intelligent. Unlike 90% of people that repost shit on FB and say "OMFG, can you believe what Obama is doing now??!?!?!?"

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  • ceyko
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    Originally posted by Chili View Post
    Some people are choosing to interpret it that way, but they also thought Jade Helm was a way to take away Texan's guns.. lol

    That is all I am saying.
    Personally, I try to maintain a mix of "not caring" and "being paranoid." I'll read about it, decide what I think about it and then move on.

    The current state of our country gives us plenty to be concerned about. I don't really see any good decisions being made.

    In general I think you're right, but like most things we each come to our own conclusions. I'd rather know about it, do my homework, monitor it and move on.

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  • Chili
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    Originally posted by mustang_revival View Post
    http://fas.org/irp/eprint/rightwing.pdf

    From page 2 - "(U//FOUO) The possible passage of new restrictions on firearms and the return of military veterans facing significant challenges reintegrating into their communities could lead to the potential emergence of terrorist groups or lone wolf extremists capable of carrying out violent attacks."

    These are one of the catagory of folks who could be considered extremest and would be on the radar.

    Yes I read ceyko's link, that's why I brought it up and asked how all this would be enforced.
    Originally posted by Jewrrick View Post
    Crazy thought but stay with me here...Through existing Federal/State/Local (whichever the situation calls for) authorities?
    Exactly...

    Nothing posted, that I have seen, indicates there will be some UN lead police force, not subject to US jurisdiction, as implied in the OP. Specifically this statement: "This will be a police force on our soil. in our major cities, that essentially can bypass our elected officials."

    Besides, what is to "enforce"? They are sharing in information and planning. Not creating new laws to enforce.

    Some people are choosing to interpret it that way, but they also thought Jade Helm was a way to take away Texan's guns.. lol

    That is all I am saying.

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  • Jewrrick
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    Originally posted by mustang_revival View Post
    http://fas.org/irp/eprint/rightwing.pdf

    From page 2 - "(U//FOUO) The possible passage of new restrictions on firearms and the return of military veterans facing significant challenges reintegrating into their communities could lead to the potential emergence of terrorist groups or lone wolf extremists capable of carrying out violent attacks."

    These are one of the catagory of folks who could be considered extremest and would be on the radar.

    Yes I read ceyko's link, that's why I brought it up and asked how all this would be enforced.
    Crazy thought but stay with me here...Through existing Federal/State/Local (whichever the situation calls for) authorities?

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  • mustang_revival
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    From page 2 - "(U//FOUO) The possible passage of new restrictions on firearms and the return of military veterans facing significant challenges reintegrating into their communities could lead to the potential emergence of terrorist groups or lone wolf extremists capable of carrying out violent attacks."

    These are one of the catagory of folks who could be considered extremest and would be on the radar.

    Yes I read ceyko's link, that's why I brought it up and asked how all this would be enforced.

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  • Chili
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    Originally posted by mustang_revival View Post
    If there is no police force behind this, as the link ceyko pointed out, how are they going to enforce anything they consider as extremest behavior? Write a strongly worded letter? Share information across a vast global network, but never do anything about it? I think that is a valid concern.
    The way I am reading it is that it is a platform for sharing information and best practices. No different than me meeting with others in my company that do a similar job, and comparing notes to see if there is a better way for me to accomplish similar tasks.

    BTW, did you even read Ceyko's link:

    Summary of the eRumor:

    U.S. Attorney General Loretta Lynch has announced a new global policing initiative called the Strong Cities Network to help fight extremism.

    The Truth:

    Loretta Lynch has unveiled an initiative called the Strong Cities Network, but it’s not a global police initiative, and it doesn’t have law enforcement powers.

    Conservative political activist Pamela Geller spread that rumor in a blog post in which she reported that the Strong Cities Network amounted to a global law enforcement initiative that would override American laws:
    They're not enforcing anything.. They're trying to find better methods for identifying potential threats, and the like (according to all of these links posted).

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  • mustang_revival
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    If there is no police force behind this, as the link ceyko pointed out, how are they going to enforce anything they consider as extremest behavior? Write a strongly worded letter? Share information across a vast global network, but never do anything about it? I think that it is a valid concern.

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  • Chili
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    Originally posted by mustang_revival View Post
    Check the 1st and 3rd link for sources and let me know if it seems made up.
    I'm not suggesting it's made up.. I am suggesting that some chicken-little is reading way too far into something, and interpreting it in such a way as to get attention. As I see every single day on shit linked on FB.

    And I'm not saying that about you, btw.. I'm expressing frustration towards all of the fear-mongers looking to get their website or blog more traffic. And that doesn't exclude mainstream media.

    Oh, and I read the first and third link you posted, and see nothing about creating a police force, fwiw. But maybe I'm missing something.

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  • mustang_revival
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    Originally posted by Chili View Post
    Is this the new Jade Helm? Do I need to forward it to all of my FB friends and sick Ted Cruz on them? If I don't, will that mean that I hate America?

    Check the 1st and 3rd link for sources and let me know if it seems made up.

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  • Chili
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    Originally posted by ceyko View Post
    Damn socialist, commie, nazi bastard.

    It DOES seem suspect though.
    Haha.. It just reads like something my 70 yo step-mother would post, with a link to an ultra conservative blog.

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