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[Gasser64]

Gasser - I was only saying ...

I think you may have cited the wrong member, I'd love to have a damn Tesla. Used though, I ain't taking the depreciation of a new car. Then again I'd also love to have a lot of the gasoline cars out there as well.

[Strychnine]

The amount of coal-burning required to power an object directly from charging is still less than the effort to pump, refine, transport, and ultimately burn gasoline at a very low efficiency. Even if you think it isn't today, it *can* be an improvement.

Your statement is completely apples and oranges. You can't compare one step of the life cycle of Fuel A to the whole supply chain of Fuel B. If you're just looking at point-of-use emissions you get to call out tailpipe for a car and powerplant stack for an EV. If you want to talk about pumping, refining, transporting [oil], and ultimately burning gasoline you have to also talk about mining, processing, transporting, and ultimately burning coal.

[mschmoyer]

There's a Tesla dealer less than 10 minutes from me, I've sat through their speel, and took a test drive in their quickest model S. If you're not all wrapped up about it being electric, the car isn't worth the money IMO. It's your typical luxo-class with with a big iPad in the console. It's not even on the list of cars that I would seriously consider for that kind of money.

Your opinion is just that mschmoyer, an opinion, and not everyone will agree with you.

Never claimed otherwise.

You downplay the car's features, and it's fine to have a different opinion, but accident avoidance, auto-highway-driving, firing up the AC from your phone without leaving the car running, and the massive torque of an electric motor are a few examples of different features from what most other manufacturers have for a 2013-2016 range of cars (I don't buy new).

The amount of coal-burning required to power an object directly from charging is still less than the effort to pump, refine, transport, and ultimately burn gasoline at a very low efficiency. Even if you think it isn't today, it *can* be an improvement.

Gasser - I was only saying the car was bad ass, but I also don't see how my argument "blew up in my face". Show me another 4-door sedan in the 40-60 price range that is as fast, has similar or better tech features, and doesn't look ridiculous. I haven't researched in years. You could surprise me.

[32vfromhell]

A P100D is 140,000 dollars.

[Gasser64]

Git off my lawn!!
As they say to old farts over at the garage journal

[SBFORDTECH]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/business/batteries/congo-cobalt-mining-for-lithium-ion-battery/

https://news.vice.com/article/smartphones-child-labor-cobalt-mines-africa-congo-amnesty-international

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN12005T

[Big A]

There's a Tesla dealer less than 10 minutes from me, I've sat through their speel, and took a test drive in their quickest model S. If you're not all wrapped up about it being electric, the car isn't worth the money IMO. It's your typical luxo-class with with a big iPad in the console. It's not even on the list of cars that I would seriously consider for that kind of money.

Your opinion is just that mschmoyer, an opinion, and not everyone will agree with you.

[Trip McNeely]

Only a matter of time. They already have a mechanism for dropping the battery and swapping it straight out from the bottom, and it can be faster than refueling.

Others ~ I didn't say anything about the earth-saving aspects of the car, but I like how the rest of you went there. I just said it was a badass car and a great experience. Probably most of you are commenting without having driven one too, so I take it with a large grain of salt.

Godamn, you are just too upper elite for me...and by the way, you have been going there this entire thread so don't act like your own argument didn't just blow up in your face.

[mschmoyer]

I'll race your Tesla in my fuckin truck. Any roadcourse of your choice, 10 laps. I'll do it while sipping a route 44 cherry limeaide too and I won't spill any.

When a Tesla wins the cannonball or the 24 hrs of lemans, I'll buy two.

Only a matter of time. They already have a mechanism for dropping the battery and swapping it straight out from the bottom, and it can be faster than refueling.

Others ~ I didn't say anything about the earth-saving aspects of the car, but I like how the rest of you went there. I just said it was a badass car and a great experience. Probably most of you are commenting without having driven one too, so I take it with a large grain of salt.

[AnthonyS]

I'll race your Tesla in my fuckin truck. Any roadcourse of your choice, 10 laps. I'll do it while sipping a route 44 cherry limeaide too and I won't spill any.

When a Tesla wins the cannonball or the 24 hrs of lemans, I'll buy two.

[Broncojohnny]

No other US based car manufacture has the balls to innovate like this car.

No other manufacturer can lose $30K a car and still be in business. And Tesla won't be able to do it for much longer.

[Big A]

My last trip to the Ford dealer was right pleasant, though I went in there knowing exactly what I wanted and what I was willing to pay. Also realize that because of the niche market and cost of the car, nobody walks into a Tesla dealership on the fence enough to be swayed by the least bit of pressure, either you want a $100k electric car or you don't, and they don't haggle on price.

The tech is nice, and they're quick, but I wouldn't straight-up trade my Mustang or X4 for any reason other than to sell it, buy what I want, and pocket the difference. It's still merely a novelty for rich guys that have multiple rides.

[Forever_frost]

My "antique" will still fire up after the lights go out.

And doesn't take 2 hours to refill when it is out of juice

[Trip McNeely]

I just test drove a Tesla. Enjoy your antiques while you can. Until you do the test drive, you can live in bliss-filled denial. No other US based car manufacture has the balls to innovate like this car.
The "sales" experience was a welcome change. The employees had no incentive to sell me a car. They did not even ask. The kid's job was to describe it, show me, and ask if I had any questions. I want one more now. I can't walk into another Ford dealership after this. Good god if I hear "what can I do to get you to buy this car today" again. Now to start gathering up some pennies...

Go to Six Flags and ride the Mr. Scream (the electric-propelled roller coaster). That will give you an idea of how this car feels.

Which Solar powered power plant will you be charging this from again? You granola intellectuals crack me up

[Baba Ganoush]

My "antique" will still fire up after the lights go out.