Global warmed up: Study finds temperature data systematically fudged upward

[Forever_frost]

Why not put in writing what is already happening? Adds a little accountability if it suddenly turns un-profitable. Push industry to forge ahead just a little faster. Show that the country/gov't is committed to the idea.

Alternatively, if we just took that stack of cash and dumped it straight into education and science R&D here in the states, I'd be happy. Obviously not what's going to happen.

Where would the constitutional authority be for the government to regulate business and environment?

[Gargamel]

Why not put in writing what is already happening? Adds a little accountability if it suddenly turns un-profitable. Push industry to forge ahead just a little faster. Show that the country/gov't is committed to the idea.

Alternatively, if we just took that stack of cash and dumped it straight into education and science R&D here in the states, I'd be happy. Obviously not what's going to happen.

I would say we need to keep the Federal Government out of "industry" as much as reasonably possible. Half of the issues that this country faces is either directly or indirectly attributed to an overreaching FedGov.

There's a profit to be made in "renewable energy", so let industry have at it so the politicians can focus on the "important" things like Transgenders in the Military and the California Delta Smelt.

[mschmoyer]

Why do we need an "accord" if the free market seems to be doing just fine on its own?




https://qz.com/1024520/renewable-ene...ump-withdraws/

Why not put in writing what is already happening? Adds a little accountability if it suddenly turns un-profitable. Push industry to forge ahead just a little faster. Show that the country/gov't is committed to the idea.

Alternatively, if we just took that stack of cash and dumped it straight into education and science R&D here in the states, I'd be happy. Obviously not what's going to happen.

[Strychnine]

We could have created the "US Accord".

Why do we need an "accord" if the free market seems to be doing just fine on its own?

Renewable energy is becoming so cheap the US will meet Paris commitments even if Trump withdraws


Research analysts at Morgan Stanley believe that renewable energy like solar and wind power are hurtling towards a level of ubiquity where not even politics can hinder them. Renewable energy is simply becoming the cheapest option, fast. Basic economics, the analysts say, suggest that the US will exceed its commitments in the Paris agreement regardless of whether or not president Donald Trump withdraws, as he’s stated he will.

“We project that by 2020, renewables will be the cheapest form of new-power generation across the globe,” with the exception of a few countries in Southeast Asia, the Morgan Stanley analysts said in a report published Thursday.

“By our forecasts, in most cases favorable renewables economics rather than government policy will be the primary driver of changes to utilities’ carbon emissions levels,” they wrote. “For example, notwithstanding president Trump’s stated intention to withdraw the US from the Paris climate accord, we expect the US to exceed the Paris commitment of a 26-28% reduction in its 2005-level carbon emissions by 2020.”

Globally, the price of solar panels has fallen 50% between 2016 and 2017, they write. And in countries with favorable wind conditions, the costs associated with wind power “can be as low as one-half to one-third that of coal- or natural gas-fired power plants.” Innovations in wind-turbine design are allowing for ever-longer wind blades; that boost in efficiency will also increase power output from the wind sector, according to Morgan Stanley.

Even in Australia, where the political climate is hostile to renewables, Morgan Stanley sees hope in the slightly longer-term: “In Australia, we anticipate that by 2020, renewables will provide ~28% of grid-supplied energy, including over 60% in South Australia.”

https://qz.com/1024520/renewable-energy-is-becoming-so-cheap-the-us-will-meet-paris-commitments-even-if-trump-withdraws/

[DON SVO]

Void of paying anything until 2030 is not accurate.

http://www.factcheck.org/2017/03/pruitt-paris-accord/

That was an aside. My 2 cents:

What about taking all of that cash we were going to give away and investing it in clean technologies & research on US soil? I don't disagree about keeping our cash in-house, but this was not replacing foreign aid with local aid, the money disappeared and went somewhere else. We could have created the "US Accord".

Why would we do that? The "global view" regards us as nothing more than an ATM for 3rd world country "trust fund kids" that directly benefit from our "benevolent" taxpayer-fed slush fund.

Trump turned off the faucet and every spoiled money-grubbing shit hole is pissed off about it, ESPECIALLY our own politicians that are involved with "foundations" and companies that directly benefit from that absurd cash flow.

[mschmoyer]

Paris accord was joke. The ultimate money redistribution. You have to wonder why the 2 biggest polluters (China and India) were void from paying anything nor having to clean up anything until 2030.

Void of paying anything until 2030 is not accurate.

http://www.factcheck.org/2017/03/pruitt-paris-accord/

That was an aside. My 2 cents:

What about taking all of that cash we were going to give away and investing it in clean technologies & research on US soil? I don't disagree about keeping our cash in-house, but this was not replacing foreign aid with local aid, the money disappeared and went somewhere else. We could have created the "US Accord".

[Gasser64]

The salt of the tears should help to resalinate the ocean.

[AnthonyS]

We are all going to die

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ice...ica-2017-07-12

I predict the volume of tears shed by globalists over this shit will exceed the volume of the berg itself, and in the end all will be fine.

[SS Junk]

We are all going to die

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/iceberg-the-size-of-delaware-among-biggest-ever-recorded-snaps-off-antarctica-2017-07-12

[Gargamel]

Merkel let the truth slip out in a moment of anger when Trump pulled us out of the treaty. She said that it was a tool for globalism that had been taken away and had nothing to do with the climate.

Do you have a source for that?

Interested....

[svauto-erotic855]

Maybe the conspiracy theorists are onto something.... 12 trillion more in debt is just that much closer to destroying the USA , which is what the globalists want. The USA falls and Poland or any other country willing to stand up for themselves would crumble too.

Merkel let the truth slip out in a moment of anger when Trump pulled us out of the treaty. She said that it was a tool for globalism that had been taken away and had nothing to do with the climate.

[AnthonyS]

Maybe the conspiracy theorists are onto something.... 12 trillion more in debt is just that much closer to destroying the USA , which is what the globalists want. The USA falls and Poland or any other country willing to stand up for themselves would crumble too.

[svauto-erotic855]

I think its a fucking greek tragedy that ANY other country ever got a single cent of our money. I'd be going after them to pay it all back. Think how much lower our taxes could be if we never gave away any money. Any politician that just wants to give away taxpayer dollars because he's feeling benevolent, should be hanged in public shortly after even making the suggestion.

2 out of 3 dollars that the federal government spends is on welfare and the percentage grows daily.

The Paris Climate Treaty (It is called a treaty everywhere in the world except the USA) had a price tag to the US tax payer of 12 Trillion dollars according to the UN that was supposed to administer the fund.

[Gasser64]

So France promised Turkey some US money...

I think its a fucking greek tragedy that ANY other country ever got a single cent of our money. I'd be going after them to pay it all back. Think how much lower our taxes could be if we never gave away any money. Any politician that just wants to give away taxpayer dollars because he's feeling benevolent, should be hanged in public shortly after even making the suggestion.

[Broncojohnny]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-g...-idUSKBN19T11R





So France promised Turkey some US money, Trump said, "Eat shit," and suddenly "climate" isn't the biggest driver... hmmmm...

It is crazy, it is almost like people will say or do anything for free money.