Bayview shootout aftermath *NSFW*

[Osiris]

I sat down and joked back and forth with Luis for several hours one night. Ask him if I had an attitude towards him all evening. If what you were saying was true, I wouldn't have shown up there in the first place. Right?

You were pretty fuckin cool in my book. Even bought me a drink to celebrate my divorce.

[bcoop]

The job of the police is to catch the bad guy. Sometimes it isn't as easy as we think it is, and when you are faced with a life or death decision, it's easy to make one that isn't 100% correct. Remember, a camera never blinks, and it's simple to Monday morning quarterback a decision.

There is a saying that officers make decisions in split seconds that courts take months to examine. It's a very true and accurate statement.

I don't disagree with any of that. Your last comment really does put it in perspective. It's a job I wouldn't do, for any amount of money. That's for sure. I couldn't deal with the people aspect of it. People flat out fucking suck.

[03trubluGT]

I'm not a fan of police misconduct, period.

If it is wrong, I don't have a problem saying so, but there are times that stuff is justified, even if it is blasted by the lay person.

Planting anything on anyone at anytime is flat out wrong. I hate stories like that one, and how about the recent one where the dumb ass officer arrested the person for videoing from her own property? That was wrong too.

There are literally dozens of examples from this and the old board of me condemning officer's actions. There are also plenty of examples of me justifying officer's actions. If one chooses to ignore one or the other, I can't help it.

The job of the police is to catch the bad guy. Sometimes it isn't as easy as we think it is, and when you are faced with a life or death decision, it's easy to make one that isn't 100% correct. Remember, a camera never blinks, and it's simple to Monday morning quarterback a decision.

There is a saying that officers make decisions in split seconds that courts take months to examine. It's a very true and accurate statement.

[bcoop]

If it bleeds, it leads. The media is not the friend of police doing something good.

Truth be told, the media isn't the friend of anyone trying to do something good. That's why I don't watch local news, very little National News, and only choose to read what interests me. It's hard to keep a general positive outlook, when everything you see on the news is negative.

[bcoop]

I can't argue that, but you can't just put a blanket statement out there implying that every single cop is bad. Period.

Blanket statements like this one?

Let them launch the war. Pull all police from their neighborhoods and lock/barricade their asses in and let them tear their community apart. Let them shoot and slay themselves in the streets. Let's do some proactive education. This whole 'fuck the police' shit is for people too stupid to understand authority. I've lost patience with the ignorance and incompetence these idiots spew.

But when you call it out, you're a raging tool. lmfao.

Take for instance the police that allowed a bundle of pot to be delivered to a mayor. They served a warrant and killed his dog. I recall saying that was wrong, but sometimes people overlook the times I agree because they are ingrained to hate police (including me).

I do recall that, and your comments in that thread now that you mention it. I admit, I had forgotten about them until you brought it up. But that thread, is one in a hundred if not more. And other than that instance, I can't recall you going against them. There was an instance in Atlanta, IIRC, where the cops raided the wrong house, killed an old lady, then planted pot on her to make it look legit. I could have sworn you were defending their actions in that thread. I could be wrong, but that is sticking out for some reason.

I admit. I'm as guilty of making occasional blanket statements as the next guy. I'll try to do a better job of it. I don't really think you're a bad cop, Matt. But sometimes, your line of thinking, and blind defense makes me scratch my head.

All the other nonsense aside, I'm waiting patiently to see what comes of the gun they think they recovered, etc. As someone else mentioned, why do they even need a gun? Can they not test for GSR on the dead suspect? That alone would be all I need to hear to decide if the shooting was justified. Granted, there would only be GSR if he fired. Which at this point, the news articles say he did.

[03trubluGT]

Just like the argument they all use, about the only time it comes up when it's something bad. Media rarely (almost never, really) reports on an officer helping a little old lady (such as Matt posted about some time ago). So when the subject comes up, it's usually something ludicrous. And in those instances, why would I side with them?

I sat down and joked back and forth with Luis for several hours one night. Ask him if I had an attitude towards him all evening. If what you were saying was true, I wouldn't have shown up there in the first place. Right?

If it bleeds, it leads. The media is not the friend of police doing something good.

[bcoop]

It's not often you side with the police on this board. Just an observation, not an accusation.

Just like the argument they all use, about the only time it comes up when it's something bad. Media rarely (almost never, really) reports on an officer helping a little old lady (such as Matt posted about some time ago). So when the subject comes up, it's usually something ludicrous. And in those instances, why would I side with them?

I sat down and joked back and forth with Luis for several hours one night. Ask him if I had an attitude towards him all evening. If what you were saying was true, I wouldn't have shown up there in the first place. Right?

[03trubluGT]

No, I have a hard on for the ones that blindly defend the thin blue line. Right, wrong, or indifferent. Matt happens to fall in that category. Even then I don't really have a hard on for it. I'm not trying to get the guy fired or anything like that. Just hoping that maybe one day his eyes will open. No issues personally, but for my own sake, I hope to God I never run across him for any wrongdoing. Because in his mind, excessive force, lying to falsify reports, etc is already justified before an event even takes place.

Ewwww, I've gone on the record in several occasions blasting how police conduct business. If it's wrong, it's wrong. If is is procedurally correct but goes agains the grain of public opinion, then I don't mind being burned at the stake.

Take for instance the police that allowed a bundle of pot to be delivered to a mayor. They served a warrant and killed his dog. I recall saying that was wrong, but sometimes people overlook the times I agree because they are ingrained to hate police (including me).

[03trubluGT]

I always thought they'd test the hands for the residue left from firing a firearm?

You can, but having the gun is the Coup de Gras.

As someone said last week, if you guys did a better job of policing yourselves, there wouldn't be such an overwhelming mistrust of police in general.

I can't argue that, but you can't just put a blanket statement out there implying that every single cop is bad. Period.

You are doing the same thing I try to teach young officers not to do. Don't start immediately looking for the bad in everyone, or you will go through life a bitter cynic. Take what people do, take what people say, take whatever evidence you have, and make an informed conclusion before taking action. Take the totality of the circumstances you have before using (or abusing) the power granted to you and don't forget compassion.

Smile and ask people how they are doing. If you are not on a call, be friendly. On a call, you can't really be friendly, or people will think you are taking sides, or not taking the call seriously. Be professional at all times.


Bren't isn't getting under my skin, but the generalizations are difficult to deal with when I genuinely try to do the job the way I believe it should be done. I have had a great career so far and I am one of the few people that I know that really likes going to work. I enjoy dealing with people and being a problem solver. I try to delve into the root of the problem, not just throw a bandaid on the existing symptoms and go to the next call. If I can take a few more minutes to solve the problem, maybe I won't have to come back in a couple of hours or the next day.

[Vertnut]

No, I have a hard on for the ones that blindly defend the thin blue line. Right, wrong, or indifferent. Matt happens to fall in that category. Even then I don't really have a hard on for it. I'm not trying to get the guy fired or anything like that. Just hoping that maybe one day his eyes will open. No issues personally, but for my own sake, I hope to God I never run across him for any wrongdoing. Because in his mind, excessive force, lying to falsify reports, etc is already justified before an event even takes place.

It's not often you side with the police on this board. Just an observation, not an accusation.

[ELVIS]

Of course. But let's say you're wrongfully arrested over something. Should you really have to pay thousands and thousands out of pocket to prove your innocence, just because the police have the authority to make you do so? I thought this was America, where you are innocent until proven guilty. Silly me. What was I thinking?

exactly....$10k later dallas county dropped my case "in the interest of justice" fuck them.

god bless.

[SS Junk]

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals..." - Agent Kay

[bcoop]

its by having enough money for a good lawyer. at least thats what Col. Tom Parker told me.

god bless.

Of course. But let's say you're wrongfully arrested over something. Should you really have to pay thousands and thousands out of pocket to prove your innocence, just because the police have the authority to make you do so? I thought this was America, where you are innocent until proven guilty. Silly me. What was I thinking?

[ELVIS]

Not all the time, but some of the time, absolutely. You have to subtract the times they run because they are wanted, run because they have drugs/guns, etc





I agree, but what is the proper way to show you distrust the local PD? There isn't a good way to do so, and I'm an intelligent person. Swap the intelligence for blatant ignorance (most common thing found in the hood), and this is what you get.

its by having enough money for a good lawyer. at least thats what Col. Tom Parker told me.

god bless.

[bcoop]

So when a cop runs down a young youth from the projects and then asks "why did you run" it is because of mistrust that prompted the "because you are police" response.

Not all the time, but some of the time, absolutely. You have to subtract the times they run because they are wanted, run because they have drugs/guns, etc

If you distrust your treatment by the PD you don't show it by resisting. But then again I was raised to respect authority figures (teachers, principals, po-po).

I agree, but what is the proper way to show you distrust the local PD? There isn't a good way to do so, and I'm an intelligent person. Swap the intelligence for blatant ignorance (most common thing found in the hood), and this is what you get.