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[propellerhead]

So much for freedom when children have to be locked up under armed guards at school (like at prison).

That's a very weak analogy. There's a big difference between guarding someone from escaping and protecting someone from an attacker. Should we remove the guards at the US Embassies all over the world? In your view, they are also locked up and have their freedom taken away. Fucking pathetic distorted view...

[Shorty]

What was available to citizens back when the Constitution was written is very different from what is available today.

So?

[92redragtop]

Irrelevant, you're talking about a gunless utopia that will never happen, this isn't fantasy land.

Not saying a gunless society is needed/requested.

[92redragtop]

Having guns for self defense is an indication of paranoia, but you're in favor of banning guns because you acknowledge that there are bad people intent on hurting others. Interesting.

I'm not saying all guns should be banned - I don't think that would be legal anyway. What was available to citizens back when the Constitution was written is very different from what is available today.

[92redragtop]

Ok, lets say 5-10 children would have been knifed to death instead. What number is acceptable to you? A determined psychopath will find a way. He could have hijacked a semi and drove it right through the building.

I believe at least 20 children were knifed the same day as the Newtown tragedy and all survived (probably back home by now).

[Nash B.]

Having guns for self defense is an indication of paranoia, but you're in favor of banning guns because you acknowledge that there are bad people intent on hurting others. Interesting.

[CJ]

I'm just saying...there was a "mass attack" with a knife the same day as the Newtown tragedy and all victims in that attack survived. I'm sure the parents/families of the Newtown victims would have preferred to have their loved ones home with them for Christmas notwithstanding recovering from the mental/physical trauma of surviving a knife attack. I also understand that an attack with a knife is psychologically more difficult that a gun attack due to the very "personal" nature of a stabbing (ie. proximity needed, looking someone in the eye while the stabbing is committed versus the more detached psychological aspect of shooting someone). Obviously in this particular case some of the victims were shot at close range while others not so close (which was more common with Aurora, Columbine, Virgina Tech, etc). At least the potential massacre in AZ was thwarted in the past couple days.

Irrelevant, you're talking about a gunless utopia that will never happen, this isn't fantasy land.

[92redragtop]

There you go ladies and gents, he wants to live in his fantasy land, not solving any problems. Good luck with that.

I'm just saying...there was a "mass attack" with a knife the same day as the Newtown tragedy and all victims in that attack survived. I'm sure the parents/families of the Newtown victims would have preferred to have their loved ones home with them for Christmas notwithstanding recovering from the mental/physical trauma of surviving a knife attack. I also understand that an attack with a knife is psychologically more difficult that a gun attack due to the very "personal" nature of a stabbing (ie. proximity needed, looking someone in the eye while the stabbing is committed versus the more detached psychological aspect of shooting someone). Obviously in this particular case some of the victims were shot at close range while others not so close (which was more common with Aurora, Columbine, Virgina Tech, etc). At least the potential massacre in AZ was thwarted in the past couple days.

[CJ]

#1 = Yes

#2 = No

Don't have anything against them really...just don't feel the need to. I get my kicks with my other toys (cars, tech, investments, etc).

I'm not a paranoid person...if someone wants a gun to protect their family I have no issues with that. I just don't understand any valid point to having an arsenal of highly destructive weapons that can easily be turned on others if someone's "had a bad day" (I'm being simplistic here). Killing of others can never be stopped in free society (that would mean too much top down control would be in place which is bad) as anything can be used as a weapon but some weapons make it easier to inflict mass damage in minimal time and lengthen neutralization time (even if there are other armed people around because of cross-fire, panic, human nature, etc...unless someone was specifically trained like a LEO or military person).

Seems like you just don't know guns very well. How about you come to the get together in a few weeks?

[GAP]

I don't think we'd have so many murdered innocents if he only had access to a knife. Putting more guns out there is pretty silly and self-serving (but coming from the NRA not surprising, because that is their role - not blaming them for that).

Ok, lets say 5-10 children would have been knifed to death instead. What number is acceptable to you? A determined psychopath will find a way. He could have hijacked a semi and drove it right through the building.

[92redragtop]

Okay, this is gonna get tricky. Two questions, both yes or no.

Are you legally eligble to own a firearm?

Do you own a firearm?

#1 = Yes

#2 = No

Don't have anything against them really...just don't feel the need to. I get my kicks with my other toys (cars, tech, investments, etc).

I'm not a paranoid person...if someone wants a gun to protect their family I have no issues with that. I just don't understand any valid point to having an arsenal of highly destructive weapons that can easily be turned on others if someone's "had a bad day" (I'm being simplistic here). Killing of others can never be stopped in free society (that would mean too much top down control would be in place which is bad) as anything can be used as a weapon but some weapons make it easier to inflict mass damage in minimal time and lengthen neutralization time (even if there are other armed people around because of cross-fire, panic, human nature, etc...unless someone was specifically trained like a LEO or military person).

[CJ]

I don't think we'd have so many murdered innocents if he only had access to a knife. Putting more guns out there is pretty silly and self-serving (but coming from the NRA not surprising, because that is their role - not blaming them for that).

There you go ladies and gents, he wants to live in his fantasy land, not solving any problems. Good luck with that.

[92redragtop]

Maybe you missed the part where you were advocating taking away freedom when you were whining about freedoms being taken away. I don't want to hear your pathetic hypocrisy. You are a hypocrite, deal with it how you like. If you care about children, if you really care about the children in this country you would realize there is a gun in this country for every single man woman and infant. You will never get rid of them. So the question you have to ask yourself is do you really want to protect them from people who are mentally ill? If you really want to solve the problem, you make sure you can stop a man with a gun. If you can't wrap your head around that, or it's too "real" for you, then you are not mentally ready to actually solve the problem. You want to dream a utopia you will never have. If you can't understand that, you want to whine, not solve problems. I personally cannot fathom the ignorance of someone who wants to solve the problem without the use of guns to defend. Look at Newtown. That school had a full lock down, just like the prison you love to talk about. Locked doors, buzzers, cameras. What did it do? It didn't do jack fucking shit. He shot through the window, walked inside, and not one damn person inside of that school had the means to stop him. He could have killed anyone he wanted to, anyone. That's why he was there. He was there because he legally could not be harmed. If you really want schools open and free, no bars and no buzzers, then you let teachers or police officers carry weapons. It will be 100% safer for every child, and it won't be a prison. This exact tragedy showcases how stupid and pointless this "prison" solution really is. In my opinion liberal ideology of the school system has blood on their hands for refusing to put in place real solutions. And the gun rights you are advocating for in your ignorance baseless understanding of something you refuse to understand wouldn't have stopped one damn thing about it. Connecticut has stricter gun laws then this ban proposes. You whine about how you want to protect the children, but your solution is the same that got these children murdered, and it really pisses me off.

I don't think we'd have so many murdered innocents if he only had access to a knife. Putting more guns out there is pretty silly and self-serving (but coming from the NRA not surprising, because that is their role - not blaming them for that).

[CJ]

I would say locking your children up behind bars everywhere is more about taking away freedom. You're teaching a future generation to live in cages (both mental and physical), and in fear/paranoia.

Maybe you missed the part where you were advocating taking away freedom when you were whining about freedoms being taken away. I don't want to hear your pathetic hypocrisy. You are a hypocrite, deal with it how you like. If you care about children, if you really care about the children in this country you would realize there is a gun in this country for every single man woman and infant. You will never get rid of them. So the question you have to ask yourself is do you really want to protect them from people who are mentally ill? If you really want to solve the problem, you make sure you can stop a man with a gun. If you can't wrap your head around that, or it's too "real" for you, then you are not mentally ready to actually solve the problem. You want to dream a utopia you will never have. If you can't understand that, you want to whine, not solve problems. I personally cannot fathom the ignorance of someone who wants to solve the problem without the use of guns to defend. Look at Newtown. That school had a full lock down, just like the prison you love to talk about. Locked doors, buzzers, cameras. What did it do? It didn't do jack fucking shit. He shot through the window, walked inside, and not one damn person inside of that school had the means to stop him. He could have killed anyone he wanted to, anyone. That's why he was there. He was there because he legally could not be harmed. If you really want schools open and free, no bars and no buzzers, then you let teachers or police officers carry weapons. It will be 100% safer for every child, and it won't be a prison. This exact tragedy showcases how stupid and pointless this "prison" solution really is. In my opinion liberal ideology of the school system has blood on their hands for refusing to put in place real solutions. And the gun rights you are advocating for in your ignorance baseless understanding of something you refuse to understand wouldn't have stopped one damn thing about it. Connecticut has stricter gun laws then this ban proposes. You whine about how you want to protect the children, but your solution is the same that got these children murdered, and it really pisses me off.

[GhostTX]

Meanwhile, all the MSM headlines read "NRA wants MOAR gunz!!!!"

Every other point made in the speech is overlooked.