I cannot believe I'm about to spend $900 on optics

[dmdakota]

http://www.opticsale.com/vortex-vipe...ST_d_624S1_d_M

I don't think thats the ffp model.

[Gtracer]

Yall are ballers. I can't even afford 900 dollar rifles.

Outta my reach as well

[silverhatch]

http://www.opticsale.com/vortex-viper-pst-6-24x50-30mm-tube-riflescope-29374-prd1.html?gdftrk=gdfV2656_a_7c772_a_7c3291_a_7c012_d_PST_d_624S1_d_M

[ceyko]

Ya know, I like to do just about anything with it. Clear as mud?

I won't be doing CQB with it obviously.

I would like to be able to and am planning to do...

-Range Shooting
-Pig/varmint shooting (anything further range then a shotgun would handle, or too big)
-Fun shooting in the woods
-For fun, anytime I can take longer then 200 yard shots I'd like to do that as well.
-MAYBE, MAYBE some other hunting that my 30-06 would not be around for or otherwise.

It is a bull barrel, 18" so it is pretty heavy for the CQB. Plus the CQB thing is a good skill to have but not something you'd necessarily use all the time other then at a specific range for it. I have a 22 that I'd use for Carbine classes and such. Anything that requires that many rounds I'd rather use a 22 for anyway. I'd also use a different AR.

Generally that is all I can think I'd use it for at this time. Nothing life dependent, not for home defense (unless it's easier to get to then my shotgun and handgun) or anything. Still, some decent uses IMO.

Plus when I die my boy will get it.

[CJ]

Ya know, I'm a slacker I guess. Can you provide some input on why one should spend that much? Here is why I ask...

I just spent 700 dollars (really less) on an AR-15 that came with a Nikon Prostaff 3x9-40. This is my goto scope since I enjoy looking through it and can shoot plenty accurately with it. (granted, have not shot with that on my AR yet). I also use this on my 30-06 rifle.

On the past rifles in the military I simply used iron sights.

I'm not asking to be talked into buying high end glass. I'm asking for what that extra moola buys you. On red dot sights, my research made me understand it. I just don't understand what the extra money buys you. Besides magnification - beyond that though, what more do you get that is needed/useful? Does it boil down to "it depends on what you're doing" type of thing?

Also, you're not the first person to say that general rule of thumb either. Just seems to me a quality rifle is more important then the optics since iron sights can be very accurate as well. I know that maybe a simpleton's point of view, but that's just my observation.

Again, not arguing here at all. I just WANT to understand what the better optics get you so I can justify in my own head and one day take the leap to a 600-700 optic. (not interested in red dot for my AR)

Take care

In short it all comes down to your rifle out shooting your optics. When you get into higher magnifications you have to spend money to keep the picture clear. Also, you have to spend money for light transmission so you can shoot early on the morning and late at night or on the dark, all of which I do regularly when hunting. When you shoot longer ranges (especially when hunting) you need to make quick accurate adjustments, and again you have to pay for that.

[dmdakota]

What are you doing with your AR? I ask because in order to really answer your question I need to know.

[ceyko]

My general rule is that the optics on the rifle should cost as much as the rifle.

If I recall correctly you have some nice guns and it is about time you bought some nice glass. In a few more years you will look back on this and realize that $900 is cheap after you drop $3500 on a new scope for some new rifle.

Ebay is a GREAT place to find deals on used high end optics.

Ya know, I'm a slacker I guess. Can you provide some input on why one should spend that much? Here is why I ask...

I just spent 700 dollars (really less) on an AR-15 that came with a Nikon Prostaff 3x9-40. This is my goto scope since I enjoy looking through it and can shoot plenty accurately with it. (granted, have not shot with that on my AR yet). I also use this on my 30-06 rifle.

On the past rifles in the military I simply used iron sights.

I'm not asking to be talked into buying high end glass. I'm asking for what that extra moola buys you. On red dot sights, my research made me understand it. I just don't understand what the extra money buys you. Besides magnification - beyond that though, what more do you get that is needed/useful? Does it boil down to "it depends on what you're doing" type of thing?

Also, you're not the first person to say that general rule of thumb either. Just seems to me a quality rifle is more important then the optics since iron sights can be very accurate as well. I know that maybe a simpleton's point of view, but that's just my observation.

Again, not arguing here at all. I just WANT to understand what the better optics get you so I can justify in my own head and one day take the leap to a 600-700 optic. (not interested in red dot for my AR)

Take care

[dmdakota]

]I was going to pick up a bushnell 6-24 for 480 from swfa bit they f'ed me. I'm assuming you looking through another one of their scopes because the viper pst hasn't been released yet(of at least I know of no one receiving one yet). Ive read several articles and everyone says its unbelievably clear. There are a few photos through the glass on snipershide that really impressed me.


How swfa get you? I was going for the 6-24 but then saw it only has 12mils internal travel so that was a no for me.

[svauto-erotic855]

My general rule is that the optics on the rifle should cost as much as the rifle.

If I recall correctly you have some nice guns and it is about time you bought some nice glass. In a few more years you will look back on this and realize that $900 is cheap after you drop $3500 on a new scope for some new rifle.

Ebay is a GREAT place to find deals on used high end optics.

[dmdakota]

I didn't know that about the pre production glass. That would be awesome. I was looking at it and a nightforce and an s&b at the same time and was like meh, great and then wow!

[CJ]

No I wasn' saying the glass wasn't clear it was. bushnell's isn't better. the only reason I went with them was price point and availability. I was able to look at a preproduction model at the Safari club show. the Glass is good don't get me wrong would def. own one for sure. The pst was said by many (not Vortex) to take the market from Nightforce The glass just isn't as good.
Maybe thats the reason for my initial impression I was expecting too much, Thats prolly my fault.

That's what I have heard as well. However from what I've read the pre production scopes did not have the same glass as the production versions (this is why the above article noted they would not be reviewing the glass, and only the features). However, there have been spme production lenses sent to some reviewers last week. I hope it delivers. I don't expect it to be superior to a NF, but some say you might be surprised.

[dmdakota]

I was going to pick up a bushnell 6-24 for 480 from swfa bit they f'ed me. I'm assuming you looking through another one of their scopes because the viper pst hasn't been released yet(of at least I know of no one receiving one yet). Ive read several articles and everyone says its unbelievably clear. There are a few photos through the glass on snipershide that really impressed me.

http://mars-aws.com/node/39

Nice article on the features on a pre-production 4-16 model.

No I wasn't saying the glass wasn't clear it was. bushnell's isn't better. the only reason I went with them was price point and availability. I was able to look at a preproduction model at the Safari club show. the Glass is good don't get me wrong would def. own one for sure. The pst was said by many (not Vortex) to take the market from Nightforce The glass just isn't as good.
Maybe thats the reason for my initial impression I was expecting too much, Thats prolly my fault.

[Pewter Y2K Z28]

good optics are always worth it.

x2

[David]

Been there done that. But good optics are always worth it.

[CJ]

Try one of these:

http://nightforceoptics.com/nightforcescopes/SCOPES_OVERVIEW/8-32x56___12-42x56/8-32x56___12-42x56.html

I can reccommend one, because I have one of these:

http://nightforceoptics.com/nightforcescopes/SCOPES_OVERVIEW/3_5-15x50___3_5-15x56_/3_5-15x50___3_5-15x56_.html

This is the exact scope, with the NP-1RR reticle

http://www.impactguns.com/store/NF-NXS1550-NP1RR.html

Nightforce is too baller for me. Believe it or not some NF guys are switching to the PST due to the feature set. I hope its as good as everyone says.