Ford getting ready to tell dealers to get ****

[Craizie]

If I'm understanding the article correctly, I think this is a bad idea for consumers. During the process of buying my Tesla Model 3, the one thing I could not do was negotiate the price like I do with a typical dealership. It's the only way to get them to "turn" on each other if they want to make a sale.

With the Tesla, I had no choice but to pay the sales price. Only other option was to not place the order. If Ford, and others, follow suit, this is what you'll be left with if you want a new vehicle.

I also think a lot of this is driven by this sissy, man-bun wearing new age of folks. They're so afraid of negotiating and dealing with people. They'd rather pay the "no-haggle" Carvana price than spend an afternoon negotiating with a sales rep. I even tried coaching my daughter and SNL with negotiating at a dealership and they folded on their first visit. It's like these people can't even shake someone's hand without lathering up in hand sanitizer.

You sound old as fuck. Every generation thinks the following generation is a bunch of pussies because they don't put up with the same time wasting bullshit.

Maybe people value their Saturday off more than spending it with some cock sucker at a dealership trying to save a few bucks.

Anything you *think* you're saving by negotiating at a dealer was marked up above what the sales price should have been anyways.

[svauto-erotic855]

If I'm understanding the article correctly, I think this is a bad idea for consumers. During the process of buying my Tesla Model 3, the one thing I could not do was negotiate the price like I do with a typical dealership. It's the only way to get them to "turn" on each other if they want to make a sale.

With the Tesla, I had no choice but to pay the sales price. Only other option was to not place the order. If Ford, and others, follow suit, this is what you'll be left with if you want a new vehicle.

I also think a lot of this is driven by this sissy, man-bun wearing new age of folks. They're so afraid of negotiating and dealing with people. They'd rather pay the "no-haggle" Carvana price than spend an afternoon negotiating with a sales rep. I even tried coaching my daughter and SNL with negotiating at a dealership and they folded on their first visit. It's like these people can't even shake someone's hand without lathering up in hand sanitizer.

I'm a car junkie with a very high income and a high level of that is disposable income; because of what I highlighted in your post I buy guns for fun instead of new cars. I would rather eat maggots from roadkill then sit down with some asshole who thinks he's doing something if he twists an extra couple of hundred dollars out of me. If I can't walk in and buy something in 10 minutes then I'm not going to buy it.

[GeorgeG.]

If I'm understanding the article correctly, I think this is a bad idea for consumers. During the process of buying my Tesla Model 3, the one thing I could not do was negotiate the price like I do with a typical dealership. It's the only way to get them to "turn" on each other if they want to make a sale.

With the Tesla, I had no choice but to pay the sales price. Only other option was to not place the order. If Ford, and others, follow suit, this is what you'll be left with if you want a new vehicle.

I also think a lot of this is driven by this sissy, man-bun wearing new age of folks. They're so afraid of negotiating and dealing with people. They'd rather pay the "no-haggle" Carvana price than spend an afternoon negotiating with a sales rep. I even tried coaching my daughter and SNL with negotiating at a dealership and they folded on their first visit. It's like these people can't even shake someone's hand without lathering up in hand sanitizer.

[Sean88gt]

Pretty soon they'll have subscription only options like just about everything now.

"Oh, you want the Tech package? That includes a $75 a months subscription fee to ensure you always have the most up to date software and the best apps!"

GM is looking heavy into this. They want to own the asset.

[Gasser64]

Did anyone here have a hacked DirecTV box? I remember one night when they sent out a kill code that bricked every single hacked box. It would be funny if they manage to do that with cars that have the software hacked.

It will likely never happen though, just like with cell phones. Even if nobody is paying the bill you can make outgoing calls to emergency services. That justifies keeping a cell phone around and plugged in somewhere even if you don't like em and don't pay for cell service.

If they try, it'll play out like this: Someone died because the scumbag corporation didn't get the extortion money they so desperately wanted. Karen's kid bit the dust cause she couldn't take it to the hospital, or insert scenario here where being able to drive would've saved lives. A firestorm ensues. Hundreds of millions in losses, maybe billions. Ok new rule! The car has to always be driveable. But we can shut off your heated seats.

[dblack1]

OEM are growing increasingly hostile towards ECU hacking/modding and so far, are doin a pretty decent job(GM/Ford are two off the top of my head) via encryption.

You say that, but you'd be surprised how fast they put out stuff for diesels to have a bunch of parts fall off. Chevy was really hard for awhile a few years ago, now a walk in the park.

Same with heavy machinery. If I keep my current 299 cat, it'll be missing some parts.

[Trip McNeely]

That sucks I know on Mopar automobiles they have Alfa OBD and you are able to program a lot with it.

[yellowstang]

I think even the dealers can't get too deep into the ECU anymore. I'm doing a Ecoboost turbo Ranger swap into an earlier Ranger and wanted the dealer to remove the anti-theft off of the ECU and to put the VIN number for the receiver truck into the ECU and I was told that as of about 2 years ago they didn't have the ability to do that anymore.

Yeah, it's ridiculous what they can no longer do. Use to be able to get them to re-program for different sized tires, not anymore. They can't do it.

[svauto-erotic855]

I think even the dealers can't get too deep into the ECU anymore. I'm doing a Ecoboost turbo Ranger swap into an earlier Ranger and wanted the dealer to remove the anti-theft off of the ECU and to put the VIN number for the receiver truck into the ECU and I was told that as of about 2 years ago they didn't have the ability to do that anymore.

[Trip McNeely]

OEM are growing increasingly hostile towards ECU hacking/modding and so far, are doin a pretty decent job(GM/Ford are two off the top of my head) via encryption.

I thought it was easily done, it just now leaves a footprint unlike before. And then they have evidence of that then you void warranty. But I thought even people were getting around that. Guess I haven’t been in the performance game for a bit.

[Tx Redneck]

I would assume if it’s a subscription or flash of the computer it would be easy for people down the road to hack and get all the options they want. People easily gain access to ECUs and reprogram/reflash vehicles all of the time.

OEM are growing increasingly hostile towards ECU hacking/modding and so far, are doin a pretty decent job(GM/Ford are two off the top of my head) via encryption.

[Grimpala]

I would like to hear details about everything you mentioned in this post.



Did anyone here have a hacked DirecTV box? I remember one night when they sent out a kill code that bricked every single hacked box. It would be funny if they manage to do that with cars that have the software hacked.

They'd have to have a way to verify that the vehicle was not in motion for anything related to motion. Heated seats I could see, but not the adaptive cruise control.

[svauto-erotic855]

exactly why i've been trying to get my hands on a ford store for the last 4 years, It's not hard to sell people what they want. Autonation started a war with me that will not end till i own one store in particular. with all their bullshit chinese parts being used on warranty repairs they've already been told that they will NEVER get another open point in texas.

I would like to hear details about everything you mentioned in this post.

If it can be programmed, it can be hacked.

Did anyone here have a hacked DirecTV box? I remember one night when they sent out a kill code that bricked every single hacked box. It would be funny if they manage to do that with cars that have the software hacked.

[Craizie]

If it can be programmed, it can be hacked.

[Trip McNeely]

I would assume if it’s a subscription or flash of the computer it would be easy for people down the road to hack and get all the options they want. People easily gain access to ECUs and reprogram/reflash vehicles all of the time.