Taking care of a new car

[Gasser64]

Doesn't look like you went with a real paste wax. I forget with the alternative term for those types of waxes are. There is some other wax that comes in a tin and people might think its a paste wax, but its something else. Anyway, I can't see how there is any way that the barrier made by those liquids, can be as thick/strong/long lasting as a traditional wax.

[black2002ls]

Originally Posted by Gasser64

Doesn't look like you went with a real paste wax. I forget with the alternative term for those types of waxes are. There is some other wax that comes in a tin and people might think its a paste wax, but its something else. Anyway, I can't see how there is any way that the barrier made by those liquids, can be as thick/strong/long lasting as a traditional wax.

On the wife's car, I used wolfgang deep gloss liquid sealant. A wipe on wipe away product. Super happy with the results. I will update as time goes on to see how long it really lasts.

For my car, I picked up a tin of collinite 915, I'm hoping to be able tobwax everything but the hood this weekend, since it was freshly painted.

On the explorer, the only place I've noticed any swirl marks are on the black panels on the a pillar and rear pillars by the hatch.

My civic, on the other hand, is now covered in them after the body shop that painted the hood offered to do some touch ups and buff the whole car for $100. Other than eliminating about 90% of the areas that were hazy/foggy, I'm not happy with it and wish I had taken it to someone like counterfiend for true paint correction. Though the reality of it is, it is my daily beater, has its fair share of dents and dings, so hopefully after a good wash and wax some of the swirls disappear.

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[Sean88gt]

Originally Posted by Ruffdaddy

No good advice, but I must say that one of the happiest days of vehicle ownership for me is when my car finally accumulates enough dings and scratches that I don't care about keeping it perfect anymore.

Anyways...good luck. The garage is probably a far better protectant than any product.

I just picked up a 17 Chebbie Silverado and am in that phase. It sucks. I miss the DGAF that comes with driving a shitbox.

[Counterfiend]

Originally Posted by Gasser64

Doesn't look like you went with a real paste wax. I forget with the alternative term for those types of waxes are. There is some other wax that comes in a tin and people might think its a paste wax, but its something else. Anyway, I can't see how there is any way that the barrier made by those liquids, can be as thick/strong/long lasting as a traditional wax.

It's not really the thickness that is the important part. The only part of the wax, sealant or ceramic coating that sticks to the car is what is actually touching the paint, the rest just gets wiped away. It's more the hardness and the durability of it. If you leave a bottle of wax open it just dries out and gets powdery. If leave a bottle of the ceramic coatings open they turn into a clear hard ceramic disk.

The durability and toughness explains why these coatings last 2-4 years compared to 2-3 months of a normal wax.

[black2002ls]

Originally Posted by Counterfiend

It's not really the thickness that is the important part. The only part of the wax, sealant or ceramic coating that sticks to the car is what is actually touching the paint, the rest just gets wiped away. It's more the hardness and the durability of it. If you leave a bottle of wax open it just dries out and gets powdery. If leave a bottle of the ceramic coatings open they turn into a clear hard ceramic disk.

The durability and toughness explains why these coatings last 2-4 years compared to 2-3 months of a normal wax.

What is your experience with the WOWA type coatings? I'm curious how long the wolfgang is going to last.

Originally Posted by Sean88gt

I just picked up a 17 Chebbie Silverado and am in that phase. It sucks. I miss the DGAF that comes with driving a shitbox.

I got my first car in 2000, it was a 97 civic. I washed that damn thing weekly, and took pride in the way that it looked. The s-10 that followed was the same way for a while, then as I got older, got more responsibility, etc, I quit taking care of them like I should have. The wife's Edge rarely got more than a touch less wash, my last s-10 probably had a year and a half worth of dust and road grime on it when I finally washed it up to sell. My current daily, the civic, I don't think I'd washed the damn thing in 6-8 months due to road construction on my daily route, and just being busy as shit in general. Now that we have the new car, and my car has been -somewhat- cleaned up, I'm trying to start over. Take the proper steps to make a weekly or bi-weekly wash, as necessary, quick and easy.

[Counterfiend]

WOWA products are OK but you have to think, they are designed for convenience and not durability. So you May see 2-3 months out of it, but probably not much longer than that.
Carnuba waxes typically last 1-2 weeks, synthetic waxes 2-3 months, sealants 4-6 months and ceramic coatings (depending on the coating and coats) 1-4 years with Ceramic Pro being the exception as they claim a lifetime coating but that gets $$ fast.

[blownaltered]

Originally Posted by Counterfiend

WOWA products are OK but you have to think, they are designed for convenience and not durability. So you May see 2-3 months out of it, but probably not much longer than that.
Carnuba waxes typically last 1-2 weeks, synthetic waxes 2-3 months, sealants 4-6 months and ceramic coatings (depending on the coating and coats) 1-4 years with Ceramic Pro being the exception as they claim a lifetime coating but that gets $$ fast.

What kind of price range would a coating be on a fox body vert. Would need some paint correction as well. Something I'm thinking about doing around the first of the year.

[Counterfiend]

Originally Posted by blownaltered

What kind of price range would a coating be on a fox body vert. Would need some paint correction as well. Something I'm thinking about doing around the first of the year.

Shoot me a Text 469-644-0209 so we can talk about options and pricing. :-)

[black2002ls]

Did a quick wash today and found yellow spots on the back of the car. These spots are smooth. I attempted to use a clay bar on them, but had no luck :/

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[Counterfiend]

Rail Dust is what that is. I use Iron-X iron remover to help remove those contamination from the surface of the paint.

[black2002ls]

Originally Posted by Counterfiend

Rail Dust is what that is. I use Iron-X iron remover to help remove those contamination from the surface of the paint.

I tried ironx. Didn't touch it.

I also used IronX before coating the car a couple of weeks ago.

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[Gasser64]

Originally Posted by Counterfiend

It's not really the thickness that is the important part. The only part of the wax, sealant or ceramic coating that sticks to the car is what is actually touching the paint, the rest just gets wiped away. It's more the hardness and the durability of it. If you leave a bottle of wax open it just dries out and gets powdery. If leave a bottle of the ceramic coatings open they turn into a clear hard ceramic disk.

The durability and toughness explains why these coatings last 2-4 years compared to 2-3 months of a normal wax.

Makes sense. But I'll see what the pros over at autopia say and get back to ya. Now I need to know cause if those liquids are actually better, I'd rather use that than the other stuff because its somewhat easier. There would be some small advantage to the the thicknesss though. Obviously its not going to block rocks or anything, but up to a certain (very small) size, the paste would have the advantage when the car was at speed. Might add up over the course of 5 years. But maybe not.

[Counterfiend]

Originally Posted by Gasser64

Makes sense. But I'll see what the pros over at autopia say and get back to ya. Now I need to know cause if those liquids are actually better, I'd rather use that than the other stuff because its somewhat easier. There would be some small advantage to the the thicknesss though. Obviously its not going to block rocks or anything, but up to a certain (very small) size, the paste would have the advantage when the car was at speed. Might add up over the course of 5 years. But maybe not.

Detailing for 10+ years and working with Nick for several of those I had had the opportunity to work with lots of products and have lots of experience. The price is obviously higher for the Ceramic Coatings but I will not put anything else on my personal cars. If you have to do a full paint prep detail every 6 months to apply a sealant think of the time involved there. If I can properly maintain the car (wash with correct soap, etc.) and only have to do a solid paint prep type detail every 3-4 years. Totally worth it to me.

[Gasser64]

Don't know if i'm understanding your reply correctly. Are you saying that the sprays are more useful to you because you don't have to apply them as often?

Every six months sounds like the intervals of the pastes. In which case, you'd just wash the car, and reapply the paste just like you did the first time. Maybe using the alcohol solution to get all the old wax off that may still be clinging to it in some places. Since you'd want to be sure you were starting with a full on brand new wax coating.

[Counterfiend]

Originally Posted by Gasser64

Don't know if i'm understanding your reply correctly. Are you saying that the sprays are more useful to you because you don't have to apply them as often?

Every six months sounds like the intervals of the pastes. In which case, you'd just wash the car, and reapply the paste just like you did the first time. Maybe using the alcohol solution to get all the old wax off that may still be clinging to it in some places. Since you'd want to be sure you were starting with a full on brand new wax coating.

What Sprays are you talking about.

Most sprays don't last all that long.
Paste waxes come in different forms. Synthetic or carnuba, or a sealant.
And if you are applying ANY wax regardless of its form you need to have a properly prepared surface. Clayed, clean, decontaminated etc.

[black2002ls]

I got my civic back from the body shop last week. So yesterday I spent some time washing, claying, and sealing it. Given the amount of crap that came off the paint when I clayed it, they did not buff the whole thing, like I thought I was paying for.

Then this morning, I put a coat of colinite 915 on. I don't think this car has ever been this clean.

After wolfgang deep gloss liquid sealant



After the colinite 915



My ugly mug in the reflection



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[Ruffdaddy]

Originally Posted by Sean88gt

I just picked up a 17 Chebbie Silverado and am in that phase. It sucks. I miss the DGAF that comes with driving a shitbox.

You'll get there. It took about 4 years before my desire to keep it perfect started fading. Then a hail storm finally did it in.

Now the thick layer of dirt stays around to hide the hail damage like a pair of thick tights.

[AnthonyS]

Originally Posted by Counterfiend

What Sprays are you talking about.

Most sprays don't last all that long.
Paste waxes come in different forms. Synthetic or carnuba, or a sealant.
And if you are applying ANY wax regardless of its form you need to have a properly prepared surface. Clayed, clean, decontaminated etc.

Best advice: hire counterfiend to do it. Next best: listen to and follow his advice. I'm going to have him take care of two cars this winter / spring for me. I wonder what miracles he could do on it DD too...

[LANTIRN]

We bought a new Wrangler JKU this year. My detailing and care routine has consisted of driving thru brush and mesquite at the deer lease followed by occassional coatings of mud to the paint; the mud is a two step process. Leave it applied for a few hours then power wash it off. I do vaccum out and wipe down the interior on a fairly regular basis as well.

[black2002ls]

Originally Posted by LANTIRN

We bought a new Wrangler JKU this year. My detailing and care routine has consisted of driving thru brush and mesquite at the deer lease followed by occassional coatings of mud to the paint; the mud is a two step process. Leave it applied for a few hours then power wash it off. I do vaccum out and wipe down the interior on a fairly regular basis as well.

Kind of like a spa type treatment?