DFW Mustangs    

Go Back   DFW Mustangs > General > God and Country

God and Country Politics and Religion

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 05-17-2015, 01:19 PM   #81
ceyko
Lifer
 
ceyko's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 18,919
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Forever_frost View Post
And if more than 10% of a teacher's class cannot read upon graduation, the teacher gets fired
Fine line to me man, in a lot of places poor parenting results in crappy students. Can't blame teachers for crap parenting.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by MR EDD View Post
U defend him who use's racial slurs like hes drinking water.
ceyko is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-2015, 08:02 AM   #82
big_tiger
Thread Killer
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: DFW
Posts: 5,613
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ceyko View Post
Fine line to me man, in a lot of places poor parenting results in crappy students. Can't blame teachers for crap parenting.
YUUUUP

Also some of the places government bodies have to buy thru, because they have approved contracts, is insane. I know of an order that would have been able to save $7500 if they were able to purchase from Newegg. Also buying X items from Grainger and paying double the price if they went to X directly.

(I have to watch what I say)
big_tiger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-2015, 09:36 AM   #83
racrguy
Banned
 
racrguy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: I am the Stig
Posts: 13,514
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by svo855 View Post
That would be the common sense definition but common sense was abandoned long ago in the public education system and the meaning of "literacy" has been expanded to encompass many other things besides reading and writing. There are also several tiers to literacy as it is defined today.
No, there aren't several tiers to it. I gave you the definition. That's also how the study I linked to you tested for literacy. Don't try to come up with some convoluted bullshit about how you weren't wrong, when you were.
racrguy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-2015, 01:31 PM   #84
Forever_frost
Bullet Sponge
 
Forever_frost's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 19,026
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ceyko View Post
Fine line to me man, in a lot of places poor parenting results in crappy students. Can't blame teachers for crap parenting.
How do you propose to get rid of the bad teachers if we don't say "If your students can't read when they graduate, it's your fault?"

I'm also of the mindset that students should be able to opt out of regular classes and get into a tech education once they hit 15 if they aren't doing well.
__________________
I wear a Fez. Fez-es are cool
Forever_frost is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-2015, 01:34 PM   #85
Forever_frost
Bullet Sponge
 
Forever_frost's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 19,026
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by bubbaearl View Post
which teacher ? how many seniors have you met who could not read ?
http://www.statisticbrain.com/number...who-cant-read/

Percent of high school graduates who can’t read 19 %
__________________
I wear a Fez. Fez-es are cool
Forever_frost is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-2015, 01:43 PM   #86
Baron Von Crowder
asshole with an opinion
VIP Member
 
Baron Von Crowder's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Venus
Posts: 23,993
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Forever_frost View Post
How do you propose to get rid of the bad teachers if we don't say "If your students can't read when they graduate, it's your fault?"
If only one teacher was responsible for the student's reading ability from k-12th grades, that would be reasonable.
__________________
"If I asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses." - Henry Ford
Baron Von Crowder is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-2015, 01:44 PM   #87
racrguy
Banned
 
racrguy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: I am the Stig
Posts: 13,514
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Forever_frost View Post
How do you propose to get rid of the bad teachers if we don't say "If your students can't read when they graduate, it's your fault?"
You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.
racrguy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-2015, 03:39 PM   #88
Forever_frost
Bullet Sponge
 
Forever_frost's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 19,026
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by racrguy View Post
You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.
So if it's the student's fault every time and never the teacher fucking off, then I say put the kid in a tech program. How do you recognize when you have a bad teacher and how do you get rid of them and hold them accountable? I've had amazing teachers and I've had some that I knew the book better than they did.
__________________
I wear a Fez. Fez-es are cool
Forever_frost is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-2015, 03:46 PM   #89
Baron Von Crowder
asshole with an opinion
VIP Member
 
Baron Von Crowder's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Venus
Posts: 23,993
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Forever_frost View Post
So if it's the student's fault every time and never the teacher fucking off, then I say put the kid in a tech program. How do you recognize when you have a bad teacher and how do you get rid of them and hold them accountable? I've had amazing teachers and I've had some that I knew the book better than they did.
if you cant fucking read, you don't get a diploma. You don't graduate. Period. Teachers are getting the blame for stupid fucking idiots getting passed on to the next grade because they cant hold anyone back and "no child left behind" bullshit.

Get a grip, Frost. I know you're out there, but you are way out there on this one.
__________________
"If I asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses." - Henry Ford
Baron Von Crowder is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-2015, 03:56 PM   #90
racrguy
Banned
 
racrguy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: I am the Stig
Posts: 13,514
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Forever_frost View Post
So if it's the student's fault every time and never the teacher fucking off, then I say put the kid in a tech program. How do you recognize when you have a bad teacher and how do you get rid of them and hold them accountable? I've had amazing teachers and I've had some that I knew the book better than they did.
The same way anyone else is able to tell they've got a bad employee. They stand out.
racrguy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-2015, 05:59 PM   #91
Forever_frost
Bullet Sponge
 
Forever_frost's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 19,026
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Baron Von Crowder View Post
if you cant fucking read, you don't get a diploma. You don't graduate. Period. Teachers are getting the blame for stupid fucking idiots getting passed on to the next grade because they cant hold anyone back and "no child left behind" bullshit.

Get a grip, Frost. I know you're out there, but you are way out there on this one.
If they weren't getting diplomas I wouldn't have as much of an issue but idiots who can't read are getting diplomas. Explain that one and how do you punish teachers for passing them?
__________________
I wear a Fez. Fez-es are cool
Forever_frost is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-2015, 05:59 PM   #92
Forever_frost
Bullet Sponge
 
Forever_frost's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 19,026
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by racrguy View Post
The same way anyone else is able to tell they've got a bad employee. They stand out.
I have read of teachers raping students and going to jail and keeping their jobs. How does that happen?
__________________
I wear a Fez. Fez-es are cool
Forever_frost is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-2015, 09:25 PM   #93
kingjason
Notorious PIG
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Down South
Posts: 8,395
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Forever_frost View Post
I have read of teachers raping students and going to jail and keeping their jobs. How does that happen?
Unions, Civil Service, anything with organized in it and tax dollars. Lots of BS rules and regulations. Oh shit, they didn't dot that I, here is your job back and back pay. Oh shit they missed getting this page signed, here is your back pay and job back. I have seen a few bad people make it over the years because they did absolutely nothing, flew under the radar, but when they did get caught doing something bad, something was screwed up on the paperwork.
__________________
Whos your Daddy?
kingjason is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-2015, 10:14 PM   #94
svauto-erotic855
I know everything, I'm older than you
 
svauto-erotic855's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 8,073
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by racrguy View Post
No, there aren't several tiers to it. I gave you the definition. That's also how the study I linked to you tested for literacy. Don't try to come up with some convoluted bullshit about how you weren't wrong, when you were.

Seeing as you are a genetic dead end you have not had the "Privilege" of dealing with the educators in your local schools. I do not have to come up with a convoluted bullshit definition of literacy because it has been done for me via the local school districts and it ain't just one of them. Don't you have a niece or nephew that you can get some feed back from concerning the district in your area?

PS: Have you ordered your cake yet?
__________________
Magnus, I am your father. You need to ask your mother about a man named Calvin Klein.

Last edited by svauto-erotic855; 05-18-2015 at 10:41 PM.
svauto-erotic855 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-19-2015, 08:06 AM   #95
bcoop
Lifer
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Posts: 41,995
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Forever_frost View Post
If they weren't getting diplomas I wouldn't have as much of an issue but idiots who can't read are getting diplomas. Explain that one and how do you punish teachers for passing them?
He already did. No child left behind. You can't punish teachers for passing students that the district administration is forcing them to pass.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by BradM View Post
But, just like condoms and women's rights, I don't believe in them.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Leah View Post
In other news: Brent's meat melts in your mouth.
bcoop is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-19-2015, 08:13 AM   #96
ceyko
Lifer
 
ceyko's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 18,919
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Forever_frost View Post
I have read of teachers raping students and going to jail and keeping their jobs. How does that happen?
Show me where that happens - specifically the keep job part. Not saying it is not true, but I've not seen it. I have seen/heard of teachers being fired even when falsely accused.

As of the rest, it seems like it needs to be some mixture of...

1. Better parenting. A lot of parents do not care at all about their child's future. The #1 thing a parent can do, regardless of income level is teach discipline, manners, work ethic and integrity. That will up the odds of a child's future being positive.

2. More discipline in school: I know this is a fine line too, but teachers should be able to send a kid to the office for a whooping. This helps enforce teachings at home (that should be happening) and at least puts some fear in the kids if they want to misbehave.

3. Keep school interesting: This could be a book, but I often feel more money could be spent on field trips and things in the classroom than fancy buildings and stadiums.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by MR EDD View Post
U defend him who use's racial slurs like hes drinking water.
ceyko is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-19-2015, 09:13 AM   #97
Venom
Lifer
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Brock,TX
Posts: 1,963
Default

Here's the biggest problem that's going on right now. As of 2 years ago the kids who have been raised in NCLB and it's accommodate, accommodate, accommodate. We can't give them less than a 50 on any progress report or report card. If they do fail they are given the credit recovery program to get a passing grade.
When they get to HS they have failure built in. They are scheduled for 8 credits per year but only need 6 to get promoted to the next grade. There is no fear of failure anymore. It used to be that if you failed a grade or got held back you were ridiculed and labeled a moron but now the have cute names for them like freshmore and even frenior for those truly special ones.
I understand that there are bad teachers out there but the good ones far out number them. What is happening is that they are getting run off because they don't teach the test and continue to give the students what they need. The younger teachers and administrators are all about the scores and basically teach that way. When you couple that with the lack of respect,discipline, accountability being taught at home it's a recipe for disaster. They are taking more of the responsibility off of the students and putting it all on the teachers when the students really don't give a shit about learning.
I've proposed a 3 phase plan that will test a students overall growth and not specific knowledge. So far it has gotten shot down by the higher ups but all the teachers are on board with it. Here is how it goes.
Give the students a pretest at the beginning of the year in whatever class they are taking. Give them the same test at the middle of the year before Christmas break. Then give them the same test at the end of the year. This will show actual growth and not specific knowledge or memorization. I don't care what anyone says ALL students will learn something. If they don't then that's a failure on the teachers part. Of course you will need to set the acceptable passing standard but growth will happen.

God willing this will be last year in the classroom. I am tired of the constant change and micromanagement. I will still work in education but in a different capacity.
Venom is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-19-2015, 10:17 AM   #98
big_tiger
Thread Killer
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: DFW
Posts: 5,613
Default

I like your idea, but the first thing the students will do is bomb the first test. It would be in the best interest of the teachers if they do, so that will be the narrative around the school. I don't see it working unless it counts towards their grade.

Maybe make the first two tests on a curve, and make them count towards their actual final grade. Then the smart kids, that probably wont want to intentionally bomb the test, set the standard, and it hurts those who bomb on purpose. The third test has no curve.
big_tiger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-19-2015, 11:40 AM   #99
Venom
Lifer
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Brock,TX
Posts: 1,963
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by big_tiger View Post
I like your idea, but the first thing the students will do is bomb the first test. It would be in the best interest of the teachers if they do, so that will be the narrative around the school. I don't see it working unless it counts towards their grade.

Maybe make the first two tests on a curve, and make them count towards their actual final grade. Then the smart kids, that probably wont want to intentionally bomb the test, set the standard, and it hurts those who bomb on purpose. The third test has no curve.
I pitched taking all tests for a grade but admin shut that down quickly. We are not allowed to give a grade for any standardized test. That includes the district curriculum assessments which is beyond stupid.

In theory if you think about it they shouldn't have little to any prior knowledge of a subject prior to teaching it. Atleast not enough to be able to sway the results that badly.
Venom is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-19-2015, 11:52 AM   #100
bubbaearl
Lifer
 
bubbaearl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 1,209
Default

find me a bad school and i'll show you a dipshit for a principal . most time some lame ass coach . without leadership any school will fail. but i guess the teachers are suppose to do the admins job too . your stupid fucking kids cant read because you dont support the teacher. they cant come home with them and see that they do their reading assignments and the dumb fucks in austin wont stay out of the room.
show me another profession where your pay is frozen at 20 years . or where even a credit problem can cost you your job . all this shit for 40-48k a year.
bubbaearl is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
svo graduated hs at 7, svo invented something, svo was home schooled, svo was principle in 83, svo855 founded dallas isd, svo855 was teachers pet

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 10:35 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2023, vBulletin Solutions Inc.