Texas ISD’s Owe Staggering $111.5 Billion in Debt - Page 6

Venom · 05-19-2015, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by bubbaearl

find me a bad school and i'll show you a dipshit for a principal . most time some lame ass coach . without leadership any school will fail. but i guess the teachers are suppose to do the admins job too . your stupid fucking kids cant read because you dont support the teacher. they cant come home with them and see that they do their reading assignments and the dumb fucks in austin wont stay out of the room.
show me another profession where your pay is frozen at 20 years . or where even a credit problem can cost you your job . all this shit for 40-48k a year.

I agree with your post except for the highlighted part. You can have the best leader in the world but if the parents don't follow up and reinforce what we do at school you could put whoever you want in charge and it will fail. At the school I teach at the demographics are 79 percent Hispanic, 20% black and 1 percent everyone else. It is the worst part of Arlington and to be honest education isn't a real big priority at a lot of the households that we serve. I know this because I see it and hell, I have even had parents tell me. We have one of the best administration teams that I have ever worked for and it's a daily struggle to get the majority of the kids to do anything but fuck off because they know it's not important.

lowthreeohz · 05-19-2015, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Venom

I agree with your post except for the highlighted part. You can have the best leader in the world but if the parents don't follow up and reinforce what we do at school you could put whoever you want in charge and it will fail. At the school I teach at the demographics are 79 percent Hispanic, 20% black and 1 percent everyone else. It is the worst part of Arlington and to be honest education isn't a real big priority at a lot of the households that we serve. I know this because I see it and hell, I have even had parents tell me. We have one of the best administration teams that I have ever worked for and it's a daily struggle to get the majority of the kids to do anything but fuck off because they know it's not important.

exact same situation my old lady is in, except the demographic is 90+% black 10% everything else. She pours her heart and soul into her work, goes above and beyond, and still doesn't have the success other schools have. It's not the always the teachers, and usually their hands are tied by administrative bullshit.

Gasser64 · 05-19-2015, 12:30 PM

They're using coaches for principles now? Is any further evidence needed that the whole thing is pretty much a total loss at this point?

bcoop · 05-19-2015, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Gasser64

They're using coaches for principles now? Is any further evidence needed that the whole thing is pretty much a total loss at this point?

That is likely very very rare in the grand scheme of things. That's not the first time he's made a comment about coaches in this thread. I'm betting there is a back story there.

Venom · 05-19-2015, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by bcoop

That is likely very very rare in the grand scheme of things. That's not the first time he's made a comment about coaches in this thread. I'm betting there is a back story there.

Very true. From my expereince any coach worth his salt is not going to go into administration. The head coach where I was at only made 1.00 less than the principal and had to deal with much less BS. Most coaches that go into administration are from the Jr. High ranks and have much more experience by the time they get to be a full principal.

svauto-erotic855 · 05-19-2015, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by bubbaearl

Show me another profession where your pay is frozen at 20 years, or where even a credit problem can cost you your job. All this shit for 40-48k a year.

It sounds like you are describing a mid-management position at a bank.

CJ · 05-19-2015, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by bubbaearl

find me a bad school and i'll show you a dipshit for a principal . most time some lame ass coach . without leadership any school will fail. but i guess the teachers are suppose to do the admins job too . your stupid fucking kids cant read because you dont support the teacher. they cant come home with them and see that they do their reading assignments and the dumb fucks in austin wont stay out of the room.
show me another profession where your pay is frozen at 20 years . or where even a credit problem can cost you your job . all this shit for 40-48k a year.

Show me another profession where at 3 years you get tenure.

You're not suppose to get rich as a teacher, everyone knows going in it isn't a high paying job. although, I see the pay of teachers on a daily basis, and some of them make a hell of a lot more money than I think they're worth, personally. I see teachers at 20 years bringing in 140k/yr, that is fucking ridiculous imho.

BP · 05-20-2015, 07:36 AM

So how about that Jon Kitna deal? $25k over the cap and his 3 assistant coaches are all getting paid the max for head coaches. Also their wives all got jobs with the district and Kitna's dad is the equipment manager now.

Waxahachie is ready to play some football!

Venom · 05-20-2015, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by CJ

Show me another profession where at 3 years you get tenure.

You're not suppose to get rich as a teacher, everyone knows going in it isn't a high paying job. although, I see the pay of teachers on a daily basis, and some of them make a hell of a lot more money than I think they're worth, personally. I see teachers at 20 years bringing in 140k/yr, that is fucking ridiculous imho.

Contrary to popular belief most teachers in TX are on year to year contacts. I have been here 8 years and I have had to sign a contract every year.

Baron Von Crowder · 05-20-2015, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Venom

Contrary to popular belief most teachers in TX are on year to year contacts. I have been here 8 years and I have had to sign a contract every year.

Do they even do the no contract deal anymore? I heard my wife and MIL talking about it a while back, MIL doesn't have a yearly contract, wife does.

lowthreeohz · 05-20-2015, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Venom

Contrary to popular belief most teachers in TX are on year to year contacts. I have been here 8 years and I have had to sign a contract every year.

Also, that 140k figure has got to be an outlier, I just checked the local city schools and highest dollar figure at 35 years of tenure is 85k.

Cooter · 05-20-2015, 08:58 AM

lol @ a public school teacher in TX making $140k/yr

Cooter · 05-20-2015, 09:00 AM

my wife signs a contract every year...

also, tenure or not, if a district doesn't like you/want you, they'll make you quit... or really fucking want to.

Venom · 05-20-2015, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Cooter

my wife signs a contract every year...

also, tenure or not, if a district doesn't like you/want you, they'll make you quit... or really fucking want to.

This is truth. You have some protections but if they want you out you'll be gone. I have one good friend who was really outspoken and they didn't renew him but he was a probationary teacher.
They also ran off an Art teacher at my current school and threatened her with non renewal with the state if she didn't resign. That type of non renewal goes on your permanent record.

Venom · 05-20-2015, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Cooter

lol @ a public school teacher in TX making $140k/yr

I'm going to have to raise the BS flag on that one too. There is no way a regular classroom teacher in a public school makes that.

slow99 · 05-20-2015, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Venom

I'm going to have to raise the BS flag on that one too. There is no way a regular classroom teacher in a public school makes that.

Can't you just google that anyways? I just found 2 teachers I know.

Venom · 05-20-2015, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by slow99

Can't you just google that anyways? I just found 2 teachers I know.

It's all public knowledge so you can find it. There are always exceptions to every rule but as a whole classroom teachers don't make that much. If they did everyone would be doing it.

Venom · 05-20-2015, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Baron Von Crowder

Do they even do the no contract deal anymore? I heard my wife and MIL talking about it a while back, MIL doesn't have a yearly contract, wife does.

Your MIL is grandfathered in and has a lifetime contract. They eliminated those about 10 years ago. She probably also has a lifetime teaching certificate. The newer teachers have to renew them with SBEC every 6 years.

Gasser64 · 05-20-2015, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Venom

That type of non renewal goes on your permanent record.

Ironically, the permanent record exists for the teachers, instead of the students.

bubbaearl · 05-20-2015, 11:53 AM

there is no tenure in texas. there is a 3 year probation period. my bride had a lifetime certificate but never a lifetime contract . renews every year .
base pay for a teacher maxes out at approx 44,500. new hire is less than 30k. so to get to 140k a year you must be in a hell of a district that will throw in 100k . on average teacher pay is a little over 50k . small districts just dont have the money to throw in. i dont think anyone with a brain would go into teaching for the money .
yes there are some worthless teachers out there but they only exist because of lack of leadership and no balls administrators who will not get rid of them. for the most part parents are clueless as to their rights or afraid to rock the boat.
if you are not going to hold students accountable for their action don't even start to hold a teacher responsible for the outcome .

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05-20-2015, 07:36 AM	#108
BP infidel Join Date: Apr 2000 Posts: 19,568	So how about that Jon Kitna deal? $25k over the cap and his 3 assistant coaches are all getting paid the max for head coaches. Also their wives all got jobs with the district and Kitna's dad is the equipment manager now. Waxahachie is ready to play some football!

05-20-2015, 11:53 AM	#120
bubbaearl Lifer Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 1,209	there is no tenure in texas. there is a 3 year probation period. my bride had a lifetime certificate but never a lifetime contract . renews every year . base pay for a teacher maxes out at approx 44,500. new hire is less than 30k. so to get to 140k a year you must be in a hell of a district that will throw in 100k . on average teacher pay is a little over 50k . small districts just dont have the money to throw in. i dont think anyone with a brain would go into teaching for the money . yes there are some worthless teachers out there but they only exist because of lack of leadership and no balls administrators who will not get rid of them. for the most part parents are clueless as to their rights or afraid to rock the boat. if you are not going to hold students accountable for their action don't even start to hold a teacher responsible for the outcome .