Texas ISD’s Owe Staggering $111.5 Billion in Debt

[juiceweezl]

Originally Posted by bubbaearl

there is no tenure in texas. there is a 3 year probation period. my bride had a lifetime certificate but never a lifetime contract . renews every year .
base pay for a teacher maxes out at approx 44,500. new hire is less than 30k. so to get to 140k a year you must be in a hell of a district that will throw in 100k . on average teacher pay is a little over 50k . small districts just dont have the money to throw in. i dont think anyone with a brain would go into teaching for the money .
yes there are some worthless teachers out there but they only exist because of lack of leadership and no balls administrators who will not get rid of them. for the most part parents are clueless as to their rights or afraid to rock the boat.
if you are not going to hold students accountable for their action don't even start to hold a teacher responsible for the outcome .

I think there's a lot of misinformation in this thread and overall. Districts vary widely. We moved here from NC in 2001. My wife taught her first year in a small district before moving to Frisco ISD the next year and getting a significant raise -- $8K plus over previous year. It was the complete opposite of the structure for teacher compensation in NC.

This is straight to the FISD site: http://www.friscoisd.org/employment/starting-salary

First year teacher, no experience, bachelor's degree = $47,500
First year teacher, no experience, master's degree = $48,500
Starting salaries for other new hire teachers will be based upon consideration for experience...

That doesn't include any stipends for being team leader, department head, coaching, etc. Some teachers are making more than many of you think...

As for why someone would want to teach, well, some people just love helping kids. I 100% agree that you shouldn't hold the teacher responsible for the outcome when you don't hold the students or families. Most just don't care.

[Forever_frost]

So I could start out at 48,500 plus? Hmmm may need to get into teaching

[bubbaearl]

show me where i'm wrong . state base ? not what your school district pays .

[Cooter]

Not worth it. Unless you just love kids. You could work two $24k/yr jobs and still have more free time and less stress

[bubbaearl]

they should get combat pay ...................

[juiceweezl]

Originally Posted by bubbaearl

show me where i'm wrong . state base ? not what your school district pays .

The word 'state' isn't anywhere in your post. Besides, it's not even valid to consider the state base when districts all pay differently. That's like saying a car is $10K when everyone purchased is $20K because the options.

[bubbaearl]

base pay for a teacher maxes out at approx 44,500. new hire is less than 30k. so to get to 140k a year you must be in a hell of a district that will throw in 100k . on average teacher pay is a little over 50k . small districts just dont have the money to throw in .

really ? the only min/max would be state base . from there it is different in every district. the smaller the district the closer to base you get.

[CJ]

Originally Posted by Cooter

lol @ a public school teacher in TX making $140k/yr

Did I say Texas? I see that in the northeast primarily. Today as a matter of fact, I saw 129k.

Originally Posted by Venom

I'm going to have to raise the BS flag on that one too. There is no way a regular classroom teacher in a public school makes that.

Dead ass wrong. I've been seeing it for years.

I have even seen several janitors at public schools making 100k. And i'm dead serious.

[blownragtop]

My daughter's (former) kindergarten teacher is the highest paid teacher at her school. 35+ years and two masters = $75,000.

[Broncojohnny]

In many parts of the country 129K a year is not a lot of money.

[CJ]

Originally Posted by Broncojohnny

In many parts of the country 129K a year is not a lot of money.

Also remember that's for 10 months.

[Cooter]

Also remember that's 5-7 12hr days per week with the lion's share being spent with a bunch of annoying ass kids and the rest of the time dealing with bullshit PC politics and just enough unrealistic patents sprinkled in to make you wonder why you started in the first place.

At least, that's what I see my wife and her colleagues do.

I wouldn't do her job for $250k/yr,and I'm not exaggerating one bit

[CJ]

I agree with that, I wouldn't either.

[Venom]

Originally Posted by CJ

Did I say Texas? I see that in the northeast primarily. Today as a matter of fact, I saw 129k.



Dead ass wrong. I've been seeing it for years.

I have even seen several janitors at public schools making 100k. And i'm dead serious.

That's not surprising if you're comparing salaries to other states but the discussion was about Texas and you go and throw out random numbers you found on Google. I have friends that are teachers in California that start out making 80K a year. That's equivalent to about 35K here. It was an apples to oranges comparison. In Texas I know teacher that have 30+ years experience and they only make about 70K per year. Teachers don't do it for the money. There is a ton of waste in other areas that have already been discussed. AISD passed a 563 million bond package last year that they are going to cost 1.3 Billion by the time they pay back the interest.

[lowthreeohz]

Originally Posted by CJ

Also remember that's for 10 months.

10 months of 10/12 hour days works out to about the same 2080 hours that we generally work. It's unfair to compare a typical 8-5 job with that of a teacher, sure they leave the school at 4p, but very rarely are they "off work" until much later in the evening.

[Cooter]

my wife doesn't get home until 6-7 most nights

[lowthreeohz]

Originally Posted by Cooter

my wife doesn't get home until 6-7 most nights

Marisa was doing the same her first year, but this year i was able to convince her to leave work at work and check out by 5-6p every day, she needs that time after work to get her head back to normal and relax before another day of hell.

[juiceweezl]

Originally Posted by Cooter

my wife doesn't get home until 6-7 most nights

Mine used to be like this, but now...

Originally Posted by lowthreeohz

Marisa was doing the same her first year, but this year i was able to convince her to leave work at work and check out by 5-6p every day, she needs that time after work to get her head back to normal and relax before another day of hell.

...she's like this. It helps too with our boys. They leave the house at 7 each morning, and she usually is home with the boys by a little after 5 at the latest. Sometimes she'll grade papers and do lesson plans at night, but not nearly as often. It takes a lot of will to get to that point. It also means closing her door during her planning time so people don't come in to chit chat and let her get work done. She loves it, but it's not for me, and I love kids. I coach baseball year round and work with tons of kids and teams, but no way could I teach.

[Forever_frost]

Originally Posted by Cooter

Also remember that's 5-7 12hr days per week with the lion's share being spent with a bunch of annoying ass kids and the rest of the time dealing with bullshit PC politics and just enough unrealistic patents sprinkled in to make you wonder why you started in the first place.

At least, that's what I see my wife and her colleagues do.

I wouldn't do her job for $250k/yr,and I'm not exaggerating one bit

So it's like basic training but you get to go home, the day ends at 12 hours and pays better?

[exlude]

Originally Posted by Forever_frost

So it's like basic training but you get to go home, the day ends at 12 hours and pays better?

Doesn't seem comparable to me. For the most part, BT is more like getting paid to go to school. You aren't really being productive.