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OK, so in reality we really just have one faithless elector thus far. But let's play this out a bit for the sake of dreaming/speculation. Let's say at least 38 electors decide they are not voting for Trump. There is no requirement or guarantee they would have to vote for Hillary or anyone else that was on the ballot.
Assuming no one has 270 electors, it is up to the House to decide who is President at that point. In that process, each State gets ONE VOTE. The Congressmen/women from each state decide how that vote will go. If those representatives split or cannot give a majority to a candidate, then that state loses it's vote. For example: If Texas has 10 congressmen, five of which vote for Hillary and five for Trump, then Texas wouldn't get to vote for the Presidency. But putting that aside, if we just go by the the states that Trump and Hillary won, then Trump will easily win since Hillary only took 19 states. In fact, Hillary would lose a few states like Colorado and Nevada where there are Republican majorities. In the end, Trump would still win. The only thing that could totally screw it up for him is if House Republicans started voting for Hillary or looking at a 3rd candidate. They can only pick from people that were voted on by the electors, so if this guy picked Kasich, then members of the House could potentially vote for him. If they screw this up (highly unlikely but so was Trumps chances on year ago) then that might be the final straw and all hell breaks loose. |
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Jeb!
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JEB SURGE!!!
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http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016...hink-progress/
Suprun signed a pledge last summer to support the Republican nominee. He lied. Suprun is a #NeverTrumper. His Twitter timeline is littered with fellow #NeverTrumper gibberish. Now this… If you look at Chris Suprun’s Twitter page you can clearly see that he is using Megaphone Strategies as his PR firm. Megaphone Strategies was founded by far left activist Van Jones. It’s mission is “to use use PR as a tool to diversify progressive movements.” |
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Once a piece of shit liar, always a.......
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Yet another Republican turncoat creating more division in already volatile situation. What an incredibly small minded douche bag. Can't see the forest for the trees applies here. He needs to follow Sisneros' example and just resign. All I can say at this point is Jan 20th can't come soon enough. And his comments on voting for Kasich is even more asinine considering... Quote:
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He is nothing but a liar and fraud. From Last night
http://www.wfaa.com/news/local/texas...nder/371421191 |
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So much for the vetting process. Apparently, there is none. What a attention seeking scumbag. |
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Seems that paramedic that refuses to vote for Trump is a fraud.
http://www.wfaa.com/news/local/texas...nder/371421191 DALLAS - UPDATE: Responding on Reddit today, Chris Suprun said he worked as a firefighter in Dale City, Virginia on September 11, 2001. But there's no listing for Dale City on his publicly available and comprehensive LinkedIn résumé. In September 2001, according to Suprun's LinkedIn résumé, he was employed by the Manassas Park, Virginia fire department. Suprun also does not list being a firefighter in Dale City, Virginia on a recent lengthy seven-page paper résumé, which WFAA obtained. Neither Suprun nor his public relations firms have responded to WFAA since this story was first published. The Republican elector who has gotten national attention for refusing to vote for Donald Trump at the Electoral College on Dec. 19 was apparently not a first responder on September 11, 2001 as he has stated for years and has a questionable career history, according to an investigation by WFAA. Chris Suprun, 42, portrays himself as a heroic firefighter who was among the first on the scene after the third plane flew into the Pentagon on 9/11. In a heavily-publicized editorial this month for the New York Times, Suprun stated that as a member of the Electoral College he will not cast his ballot for Trump because the president-elect “shows daily he is not qualified for the office.” Suprun, a Dallas resident for more than a decade, even used his résumé to establish credibility in the Times piece, writing in the second paragraph: "Fifteen years ago, as a firefighter, I was part of the response to the Sept. 11 attacks against our nation." He has founded a nonprofit called Never Forget and state records show he is a licensed paramedic -- but much of the rest of résumé, publicly available on LinkedIn, is questionable. In addition, on at least two occasions over the last couple years at crowded Major League Baseball games, Suprun has been introduced as a 9/11 veteran before throwing out first pitches. "He claimed to be a first responder with the Manassas Park [Virginia] Fire Department on September 11, 2001 and personally told us stories 'I was fighting fire that day at the Pentagon.’ No, I was on a medic unit that day at the Pentagon and you make a phone call to Manassas Park and you find out that he wasn't even employed there until October 2001,” said a first responder who knows Suprun and only agreed to speak about him if his identity was concealed. The City of Manassas Park confirmed to WFAA that it hired Suprun on October 10, 2001, one month after the 9/11 attacks. The fire chief there added that his department never even responded to the Pentagon or any of the 9/11 sites. "It's no different than stolen valor for the military; dressing up and saying 'Hey, I earned a Purple Heart' when you weren't even in combat.' There's a big difference between shopping at Old Navy and being a Navy SEAL," said the first responder who knows him. But Suprun's résumé raises even more questions. It shows he was, at the time this story aired on WFAA, a paramedic with Air Methods air ambulance service. But Christina Brodsly, a spokeswoman for that company, said he is not an employee there. Suprun also claims to currently be a paramedic with Freedom EMS in Dallas. But records from the Texas Department of State Health Services indicate there's no such company. A firm with that name used to exist in Houston, but it went out of business in 2008, according to DSHS. Turns out, federal court records show Suprun has spent the last five years in bankruptcy while his résumé says he was working. He even collected unemployment during part of it, court records show. Suprun was just released from bankruptcy supervision this month. He never responded to multiple emails from WFAA and calls to his telephone go to a recording which says his voicemail is full. Two public relations firms he has hired – Megaphone Strategies and Fenton Communications – responded to our requests for an interview saying: “Suprun's schedule is jammed packed.” His story raises a bigger question, though. How are presidential electors chosen? And more importantly, aren't they vetted? Unfortunately, not. They are selected in an almost informal process that each party undertakes at their state convention. "Parties might want to ask for a little more background information, do a little bit of checking into people who would like to be members of the electoral college,” said Matthew Wilson, a political science professor at SMU. He suggested that Suprun’s case might change things four years from now. "I think in the future there will be a little more vetting and scrutiny given to prospective electors only because there's been so much discussion in this cycle of the possibility of faithless electors," continued Wilson. If Suprun isn't working at the places on his résumé, whose uniform is he wearing at public appearances? Manassas Park, VA said it looks similar to theirs from 12 years ago but could not positively identify it. Texas electors meet Monday in Austin. It's uncertain who will get Suprun's vote. But as Suprun questions Trump's credibility fellow first responders have doubts of their own about his. Copyright 2016 WFAA
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Well, I for one am not shocked.
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One final twist in an already crazy story. Hillary had more faithless electors than Trump, with one voting for Faith Spotted Eagle of the Sioux Nation.
Trump 304 Hillary 224 Pure poetry. Last edited by LS1Goat; 12-19-2016 at 07:24 PM. |
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So 7 electors jumped ship. It's the first time there were more than one faithless electors since 1872. It'll be interested to see if it sets a precedent for future elections where more and more turn their back on the popular vote. Imagine the shit storm if enough electoral votes were turned and the outcome of the election changed... |
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However, to some of us that would be a huge red alert signal that time is just about out.... as once the drugs, food and cash become hard to come by, its game on...
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― Aldous Huxley, Brave New World Much more accurate than 1984 ever was. Control the people by giving them everything they want. |
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I wouldn't say either is more accurate than the other. 1984 is pretty fucking prophetic too. I think I see some of these coming from both sides.
https://quizlet.com/7791630/1984-terms-flash-cards/ "Ignorance is Strength" - ignorant people = strong government (Party slogan) "Freedom is Slavery" - (Party Slogan) Portrays oxymoronic nature of society. "Oceania vs. Eurasia vs. Eastasia" - Oceania's ideology is Ingsoc (English Socialism), while Eurasia's Neo-Bolshevism, and Eastasia's the Obliteration of the Self. These ideologies are similar, but people are not informed of this. "vaporization" - Orwell uses the word "vaporizing " as a metaphor to state how "criminals" caught by The Thought Police happen to disappear, completely erase. "Two Minutes Hate" - Mandatory viewing of propaganda vids for citizens to stir up release of emotions and rage towards specific enemies (like Goldstein).
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