Finally going to get paid

[turboskull1]

Because his paycheck depends on his support of them, that's why. His double standard was the point of my last post.

So what's the double standard? You do realize that there are some companies who refuse to use anything but union labor? Why? possibly due to the fact that the union takes a huge load off of the companies shoulder in the form of personell management. I sounded just like you guys for most of my working career, even after becoming a union employee, I disliked the thought of unions. After working in a union shop several years and seeing how much smoother things operate I have come to realize that while not a perfect system, everything is done according to the rules set forth between the company and the union, and human emotions, while still present are rarely ever allowed to be used for promotion or disciplinary action.

[turboskull1]

That's not the argument I'm presenting. He's saying that I knew what I was getting into and I did. I'm also saying that he knew what he was getting into when he signed his contract. I'm asking why does he support unions acting like the mafia and refusing you a job unless you agree to give them kickbacks.

Because that is what was voted into place by the WORKERS, and I wouldn't call fifty bucks a month much of a "kickback", a lot of that money is paid out in the form of benefits to other workers, and yes unfortunately I am sure some of it goes to some corporate fat cat.

[Broncojohnny]

That's not the argument I'm presenting. He's saying that I knew what I was getting into and I did. I'm also saying that he knew what he was getting into when he signed his contract. I'm asking why does he support unions acting like the mafia and refusing you a job unless you agree to give them kickbacks.

Because his paycheck depends on his support of them, that's why. His double standard was the point of my last post.

[Forever_frost]

Using military pay is a tough argument. Even just getting out of the military and doing the same job I got paid 4 times what I did when I was enlisted.

I went to all our big war areas since Bosnia basically as a civilian and was paid a lot more than if I were enlisted.

The system that may be broke is the military pay system. Everyone makes the same pay, regardless of skill or civilian fair market value for a skill. At least that was the case for me, it makes no sense to endure that stress with a family when you can just get out and make more.

Busting people's balls over being combat arms and you making less for the danger level is not a balanced argument. We all know that the military does not pay a lot. Should it? I mean, you'd then be angry because they may not pay you what some "POG" would get paid. What is your value to the Army? We all know the government thinks shit of the lower officers, enlisted and NCOs.

Anyway, complaining that you got paid shit in comparison is not a good argument. We all negotiate our pays and contracts. It was you who agreed to that pay, just like I did when I signed up.

That's not the argument I'm presenting. He's saying that I knew what I was getting into and I did. I'm also saying that he knew what he was getting into when he signed his contract. I'm asking why does he support unions acting like the mafia and refusing you a job unless you agree to give them kickbacks.

[stevo]

Umm yea we are. We screw up and the FRA fines us up to 25k. On top of that I can be charged with manslaughter if I hit a car and kill someone if I'm not doing exactly what I'm suppose to do be doing. We all know how lawyers can twist the truth and run with something.

You could be going 1mph over the speed limit and they will claim you were speeding and if you weren't speeding you would have never hit that car that went around the gates and killed that family.

How many of them have been sued for millions of dollars in property and loss of life?

How many of them have actually been convicted of criminally negligent homicide or even manslaughter and spent life in prison?

Stevo

[Broncojohnny]

I suppose it all comes down to a matter of choice, you knew what the job entailed when you enlisted, yet you still chose that career path.

I love irony.

[Denny]

That's it, I'm starting the Investment Bankers' Union!

Denny just texted and said the i-banker union is the best idea he's ever heard.

Bring out the Holy Hand Grenade!

[ceyko]

And you chose your path. Why do you believe that unions should dictate who can work what job and keep those who want to work from working unless they pay a kickback to the union?

Using military pay is a tough argument. Even just getting out of the military and doing the same job I got paid 4 times what I did when I was enlisted.

I went to all our big war areas since Bosnia basically as a civilian and was paid a lot more than if I were enlisted.

The system that may be broke is the military pay system. Everyone makes the same pay, regardless of skill or civilian fair market value for a skill. At least that was the case for me, it makes no sense to endure that stress with a family when you can just get out and make more.

Busting people's balls over being combat arms and you making less for the danger level is not a balanced argument. We all know that the military does not pay a lot. Should it? I mean, you'd then be angry because they may not pay you what some "POG" would get paid. What is your value to the Army? We all know the government thinks shit of the lower officers, enlisted and NCOs.

Anyway, complaining that you got paid shit in comparison is not a good argument. We all negotiate our pays and contracts. It was you who agreed to that pay, just like I did when I signed up.

[Forever_frost]

I suppose it all comes down to a matter of choice, you knew what the job entailed when you enlisted, yet you still chose that career path. Unfortunately Uncle Sam feels congressmen and senators should make more than an infantryman in active duty.

And you chose your path. Why do you believe that unions should dictate who can work what job and keep those who want to work from working unless they pay a kickback to the union?

[Sean88gt]

Denny just texted and said the i-banker union is the best idea he's ever heard.

I'll head that bish up so I can say "I am not an industry insider, my goal is just to protect the abused I-bankers who have constantly donated their time and effort for minimal, almost slave like compensation. It's time for these bankers to move out of the field and into the house!"

[turboskull1]

I pay 40 bucks a quarter for my entire family, 3 bucks for prescriptions and ....No Union. You want to talk about a job that is hazardous? EOD and Infantry. Why aren't we paid more than you union train boys? OUr jobs is exponentially harder and if we screw up, there isn't a civil suit, it's a war crimes tribunal.

I suppose it all comes down to a matter of choice, you knew what the job entailed when you enlisted, yet you still chose that career path. Unfortunately Uncle Sam feels congressmen and senators should make more than an infantryman in active duty.

[slow99]

Denny just texted and said the i-banker union is the best idea he's ever heard.

[Broncojohnny]

Holy fuck imagine the bonuses!

They would just cut your pay to stuff their fat cat corporate pockets. How dare they pay the shareholders, who actually own the company, anything at all. We all know the people who work there should get everything that is left on the NOI line. Or better yet we could just say the government owns the company and they can distribute it all. Now, that is a good idea and it will work this time!

[slow99]

I beg you, please! How great would that be if you were petitioning companies for $1MM base pay, free medical and company matching on discretionary investments?

Holy fuck imagine the bonuses!

[Sean88gt]

That's it, I'm starting the Investment Bankers' Union!

I beg you, please! How great would that be if you were petitioning companies for $1MM base pay, free medical and company matching on discretionary investments?