What makes the bible true

[dewayne6243]

Dr. Dave isn't necessarily for the devil, he's simply been duped by the devil along with many others.

Trust me he is for the devil. I love it when doctors tell someone that have full blown stage 5 cancer and have less than 30 days to live, the next week they do a test and they are cancer free with no treatments. You ask the doctor how can the cancer just disappear? They say, " duh duh duh, I don't know, duh duh duh is must be a miracle, duh duh duh.

It is sad that you have never heard Jesus talk to you, in your dreams, in your marriage, in your life, at work.

Hey Dave explain this one. I was laid off as a landman from Devon Energy is 2009. I saw UP was hiring for train conductors in Fort Worth. I applied. No experience. Nothing. Out of 35K applications they called 100 people to interview. What do u know I was one of them. In the interview they asked if anyone here has immediate family that worked for them. 85 people raised there hands. Not me. They are going to hire 15 people. What do u know I was one of them.

So tell me Dave was I that lucky to get the job and bump off people whose mom and dad have worked for the company for 20-30 years? Or was my prayer answered because I asked Jesus to give me this job?

By the way when I was hired as a landman I had zero experience and after 3 days of training they asked me if I would work for them for $185K a year with mileage. Not bad money for an unemployed zero experience guy but my prayer was answered then too.

The point isn't about me being blessed with good paying jobs. This is about Jesus answering my prayers. I am not even going to get started about my wife. Her blessings make mine look tiny.

[racrguy]

How do you know if the science in those books is a from a "Valid source" or not?

See post #303.

So, you refuse counsel from anyone who is not a Dr but you come one here to get counsel on the mysteries of God from guys on here? Follow your own logic and go to a Dr of Divinity and see if your arguments can stand with them.

I hold everyone else to the same standards that I hold myself. Any facts that I post, I can provide relevant sources for. Therefore, it would be reasonable to assume that any facts a person posts, they can provide a reference for. I can't say for certain, but I am under the assumption that no one in this thread has the required education to discuss the topic at hand without citing other places.

"For the Christian, the ultimate expression of truth is found in the person of Jesus who said, ""I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life and no one comes to the father but through me..." (John 14:6). Jesus, who claimed to be divine, performed many miracles, and rose from the dead said that he alone was the Truth. He was either right or wrong. There is no in-between. If Jesus is wrong, then Christianity is a wrong. If Jesus did not rise from the dead, then we should abandon our faith because he would be no different than anyone else. If Jesus is not God in flesh, then we should denounce him as a madman because you can't claim to be God and be sane -- unless the claim is true. Therefore, if what Jesus said about himself is true, then Christianity is true."

The bible is not an autobiography, as it didn't get written until a minimum of 40 years or so after Jesus' supposed death.

So answer this...do you believe the person Jesus existed? Not do you believe He was God...but did He exist?

Is it possible he existed, absolutely. Did he do the things he is credited with? In my opinion, absolutely not.

"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." -Voltaire
See what I did there, I gave credit to my source, something you didn't do with your quote. Where did it come from?

IDK. Maybe some are devil worshipers that want to argue with the Atheist. I guess you need to meet in the middle and realize you are both the same people.

You conveniently forget that the devil is a construct of god, as told about in the bible. Everything the devil does is with god's knowledge and approval, as god could stop the devil. So, by extension, if I was in fact to worship the devil, it would be because of gods actions.

[Maddhattter]

You already label yourself. Your either for God or against God.

In order for that to be a true dichotomy, you must first prove that there is a god to be for or against. Otherwise, the only true dichotomy you can form is Theist or Atheist. As a Theist has a belief a god or gods, and an Atheist lacks a belief or does not believe in a god or gods.

So, in regards to the topic a hand, the validity of the bible, that is as simple as it gets.

[Maddhattter]

Dr. Dave isn't necessarily for the devil, he's simply been duped by the devil along with many others.

Once again, a wholly unsupported claim.

[Maddhattter]

Ok, let's start there. What proof would you need in order to believe Jesus was who He said He was? If I can find " proof " Jesus was God then by your admission you would believe. But what level of proof is acceptable to you? The same amount of proof that makes you believe that George Washington existed and did the things he did? Or will you not believe unless you find the Holy grail that makes people live forever? Or somewhere in between?

I don’t think it’s possible for us to start here. I’m pretty sure that we started at this post, before you changed tracks on the conversation.

With this sudden change of topic, do you concede my points or did you just plan on ignoring them and pretending that there are none? Hell, you never even covered how believing or not believing is relevant to the evidence. You just suddenly asked what proof I need of Jesus’ divinity. Unless it can be illustrated how my belief in the character’s divinity is relevant to the topic at hand, I can’t really be inclined to start down that path.

I would also have to argue that finding the "Holy Grail that makes people live forever" would do absolutely nothing to speak to Jesus’ divinity. It would only prove that Holy Grail, as the bible has nothing to say about that Holy Grail. With no input from the bible about that Holy Grail, there is no linking that grail to Jesus. With no linking of that grail to Jesus, it would more provide evidence for King Arthur than anything in the bible.

[The King]

You already label yourself. Your either for God or against God. If your against that means ur for the devil. If you don't believe in either that makes you an Atheist. Doesn't get any more simple than that.

Those are your terms, not mine. And LOL at me being for the devil. I dont believe in that myth either.

You sound quite juvenile with that comment.

Dr. Dave isn't necessarily for the devil, he's simply been duped by the devil along with many others.

[davbrucas]

You already label yourself. Your either for God or against God. If your against that means ur for the devil. If you don't believe in either that makes you an Atheist. Doesn't get any more simple than that.

Those are your terms, not mine. And LOL at me being for the devil. I dont believe in that myth either.

You sound quite juvenile with that comment.

[dewayne6243]

And I dont label myself as anything. I just choose not to believe in mythology and fairy tales and I can recognize them when I see them.

You already label yourself. Your either for God or against God. If your against that means ur for the devil. If you don't believe in either that makes you an Atheist. Doesn't get any more simple than that.

[davbrucas]

And I dont label myself as anything. I just choose not to believe in mythology and fairy tales and I can recognize them when I see them.

[davbrucas]

Since ur an Atheist why to you argue with these guys?

I'm not arguing...not sure about them. I am just participating in the discussion.

[dewayne6243]

Since some of the other responders are theists, why do they argue with Maddhatter, MOSFET, davbrucas, or I?

Stephen, I'll respond to you later tonight, decent length phone posts FTL.

IDK. Maybe some are devil worshipers that want to argue with the Atheist. I guess you need to meet in the middle and realize you are both the same people.

[racrguy]

Since ur an Atheist why to you argue with these guys?

Since some of the other responders are theists, why do they argue with Maddhatter, MOSFET, davbrucas, or I?

Stephen, I'll respond to you later tonight, decent length phone posts FTL.

[dewayne6243]

We have documents with Washington's signature and can go dig up his grave and find an actual human. These things make his history more believable. The only evidence of Jesus' existence is contained in the propaganda in the Bible.

Since ur an Atheist why to you argue with these guys?

[davbrucas]

We have documents with Washington's signature and can go dig up his grave and find an actual human. These things make his history more believable. The only evidence of Jesus' existence is contained in the propaganda in the Bible.

[stephen4785]

I have not seen any evidence that would show that Jesus, as the person in the bible, i.e. not just some guy whose name was Jesus, existed or that the bible has enough evidence to support said character's divinity.

Problem with the question is it's relevancy. Proof can change my mind, so what I believe, or what I lack belief in makes no difference. If the bible can be proven to be true, this would change my mind. This would also mean that the God and Jesus claim are true, by extension.

Ok, let's start there. What proof would you need in order to believe Jesus was who He said He was? If I can find " proof " Jesus was God then by your admission you would believe. But what level of proof is acceptable to you? The same amount of proof that makes you believe that George Washington existed and did the things he did? Or will you not believe unless you find the Holy grail that makes people live forever? Or somewhere in between?