UAW to try to unionize Hundai

[Broncojohnny]

So do you think that because the U.S. Constitution worked back then we should just let it disapear now? I am saying that union labor does better work, if you read my earlier post I said we spend more time fixing non-union stuff than we do putting in or own work.Well lets do this next time you go to the Dr. let some one that just watched help you out, and I'll go to the Dr. that went to school and learned.

I want to go to the one that got his job because of seniority rather than skill.

[Hell-Bent SS]

I'm military since we are on the subject. So, brings us to the question. What do you think would happen if we had a union and went on strike for better pay, benefits and a safe working environment?

We both know the answer to that, But what's so wrong for me going on strike for those things?? Whats the difference in a company coming and taking those things away from me so they can buy a bigger house or bigger boat?? I like those things too.

[stevo]

So do you think that because the U.S. Constitution worked back then we should just let it disapear now? I am saying that union labor does better work, if you read my earlier post I said we spend more time fixing non-union stuff than we do putting in or own work.Well lets do this next time you go to the Dr. let some one that just watched help you out, and I'll go to the Dr. that went to school and learned.

That is rich. This post is so full of fail I don't even know where to start.

Stevo

[helosailor]

I went to a apprentice school for 5 years to learn my trade, therefore the people in my trade take pride in what we do. If your ok with letting a non-union company come in and just let anybody pipe up a nuke or a boiler where your kids go to school and just hope nothing ever goes wrong than more power to you. I know there is non-union people out there that do good work, but you would be surprised by how often we have to go in and fix all there work. So am I scared that I'm gonna get paid for what I'm worth??? No not at all.

So do you think that because the U.S. Constitution worked back then we should just let it disapear now? I am saying that union labor does better work, if you read my earlier post I said we spend more time fixing non-union stuff than we do putting in or own work.Well lets do this next time you go to the Dr. let some one that just watched help you out, and I'll go to the Dr. that went to school and learned.

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As long as they are properly licensed, certified, bonded, etc., I couldn't give two shits whether it was a union company or not. A union, with VERY few exceptions, does not guarantee any higher quality of work so long as you compare certifications, experience, and training.

I personally witnessed the following in a shop that refilled breathing oxygen bottles, just as an example...
7 union workers: Average productivity=22 bottles per 24 hours, 4.5% defect rate (bottles not filled correctly, damaged, etc.). Avg salary: $34/hour

Replaced by 2 non-union workers: Average productivity=68 bottles per 24 hours, <1% defect rate. Average salary: $20/hour

Now, what was more cost-effective and SAFER?
In case you didn't know, even $20/hr to refill breathing O2 bottles is outrageously high pay. It's an incredibly easy job.

So, keep paying almost 6 times as much salary for more than triple the productivity and more than 4.5 times the quality? Well, that's a no-brainer right there.

[Hell-Bent SS]

That is rich. This post is so full of fail I don't even know where to start.

Stevo

So you are telling me that someone that goes to school and does on the job training might not have more skill?? Why in the hell does anybody even go to school then?

[Forever_frost]

So do you think that because the U.S. Constitution worked back then we should just let it disapear now? I am saying that union labor does better work, if you read my earlier post I said we spend more time fixing non-union stuff than we do putting in or own work.Well lets do this next time you go to the Dr. let some one that just watched help you out, and I'll go to the Dr. that went to school and learned.

You're comparing unions to the Constitution? Really? The Constitution is the bedrock of our civilization and the Supreme Law of our country. Unions are leeches that produce nothing while demanding money. Do you support union membership being voluntary anywhere a union is in force and dues being billed instead of withdrawn from paychecks?

[Forever_frost]

So you are telling me that someone that goes to school and does on the job training might not have more skill?? Why in the hell does anybody even go to school then?

You're trying to sell that union school is more effective than someone going to school on their own.

[stevo]

So you are telling me that someone that goes to school and does on the job training might not have more skill?? Why in the hell does anybody even go to school then?

Are you saying that only union workers are subject to quality inspections and work codes? That only union workers are required to obtain professional and trade licenses?

I was an apprentice plumber for 4 years, then a journeyman plumber for 13, I even spent two years in the 529 in Waco. I can tell you first hand that the union workers I had to work with were some of the laziest people and had some of the poorest work quality I had ever seen.

Stevo

[Hell-Bent SS]

You're trying to sell that union school is more effective than someone going to school on their own.

I'm saying that in my union school they showed us everything that has to do in my trade.I know that non-union companys call people from our school and trade to teach there people on how to do certain things all the time. So that leads me to think maybe our schools are better.

[FreightTrain]

I think there should be a ban on union threads on dfwmustangs. Same damn argument every other week.

[Hell-Bent SS]

Are you saying that only union workers are subject to quality inspections and work codes? That only union workers are required to obtain professional and trade licenses?

I was an apprentice plumber for 4 years, then a journeyman plumber for 13, I even spent two years in the 529 in Waco. I can tell you first hand that the union workers I had to work with were some of the laziest people and had some of the poorest work quality I had ever seen.

Stevo

I stated earlier that some non-union people do good work, and that some union people are lazy and do bad work. Thats in all kinds of work.We both know that work codes and inspections happen on all jobs and everyone has to obtain the proper licenses. I got in the trade knowing that I could make a good living for me and my family, and I have been able to do that for 14 years now. It just bothers me when people that don't really know about the union bash them.

[stevo]

I stated earlier that some non-union people do good work, and that some union people are lazy and do bad work. Thats in all kinds of work.We both know that work codes and inspections happen on all jobs and everyone has to obtain the proper licenses. I got in the trade knowing that I could make a good living for me and my family, and I have been able to do that for 14 years now. It just bothers me when people that don't really know about the union bash them.

Wow, someone get the water boiling, because this post has the crawfish!

Stevo

[4bangen]

I think there should be a ban on union threads on dfwmustangs. Same damn argument every other week.

lol

[Forever_frost]

I stated earlier that some non-union people do good work, and that some union people are lazy and do bad work. Thats in all kinds of work.We both know that work codes and inspections happen on all jobs and everyone has to obtain the proper licenses. I got in the trade knowing that I could make a good living for me and my family, and I have been able to do that for 14 years now. It just bothers me when people that don't really know about the union bash them.

Actually, most of us know about unions and some of us have been in them. Unions are archaic institutions that have no current place. And you have yet to answer my questions.




Do you support making union membership voluntary in union held areas? Do you support making union dues billable instead of automatically deducted?


Those questions right there will answer a lot of questions about you

[stevo]

I stated earlier that some non-union people do good work, and that some union people are lazy and do bad work. Thats in all kinds of work.We both know that work codes and inspections happen on all jobs and everyone has to obtain the proper licenses. I got in the trade knowing that I could make a good living for me and my family, and I have been able to do that for 14 years now. It just bothers me when people that don't really know about the union bash them.

Let me go ahead and quote where you just contradicted your own posts.

So you are telling me that someone that goes to school and does on the job training might not have more skill?? Why in the hell does anybody even go to school then?

Implies that only union workers are trained and licensed, where as non-union workers are not or are trained to some lesser extent.

If your ok with letting a non-union company come in and just let anybody pipe up a nuke or a boiler where your kids go to school and just hope nothing ever goes wrong than more power to you.

Implies that the work down by union workers is done by code, inspected and certified, where as the work done by non-union workers is somehow not certified to the same extent.

Stevo