UAW to try to unionize Hundai

[mikeb]

LOL I might only have a 10th grade education as Al, would like to think, but I still remember the first thing I learned in Kindergarten. "If something doesn't concern you don't worry about it." Which is more than I can say for most people in this thread. Oh no the big bad unions are coming to town run for hills. Talk about some chicken little shit going on in here.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out --
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out --
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out --
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me -- and there was no one left to speak for me.


Ignoring that which does not concern our immediate interests is a fine plan FreightTrain. It's worked so well in the past as evidenced by the above - you go on ahead with that kindergarten plan now and the rest of us will continue on here discussing unions, which, incidentally was a big part of the topic of this thread in the first place.

[Forever_frost]

So you are ok with working for 10.00 a hour?? Or how about not having a weekend anymore?? Or screw it who needs overtime........ Hell we all should just move to Mexico oh never mind with people like you we are heading that way in the good ol U.S.A

Yes, I'm okay for people making what their labor is worth as determined by the market. Are you saying there are no federal laws in place about minimum wages, overtime laws, OSHA and so forth?

[bcoop]

So you are ok with working for 10.00 a hour??

Why should anyone settle for $10/hr? I suppose getting an education and doing something with your life is out of line?

[bcoop]

It doens't affect you so why worry about it.

It affects every person posting in this thread, you're just too ignorant to realize it.

[The King]

My brother still works there and he worked right beside me during my tenure at that place. He also worked at another plant.

Any other angle you want to try to claim i don't know what I'm talking about? We've gone from "You're a liar" to "Well every place has lots of worthless people so that makes it ok" to "things have changed". Where else you want to go with this?

One thing I have noticed is that you haven't come out and said that you aren't surrounded by lazy fucks that you have to pull through the mud every day. To me that says that either you know it is true or you are one of the lazy fucks. Which is it?

Odds? I give the bolded option -180, LOL

[Broncojohnny]

Just like your point of view from 15 years ago. Like nothing has changed since then.


One time at band camp....

My brother still works there and he worked right beside me during my tenure at that place. He also worked at another plant.

Any other angle you want to try to claim i don't know what I'm talking about? We've gone from "You're a liar" to "Well every place has lots of worthless people so that makes it ok" to "things have changed". Where else you want to go with this?

One thing I have noticed is that you haven't come out and said that you aren't surrounded by lazy fucks that you have to pull through the mud every day. To me that says that either you know it is true or you are one of the lazy fucks. Which is it?

[Hell-Bent SS]

This doesn't concern you, so why are you worried about it? And what right does an outside party have to come in and tell an owner how to run their business? They should shut down every plant a union gets in and reopen it under a new name.

Unions are past their point of necessity. Now they're in it for more money and their very existence.

So you are ok with working for 10.00 a hour?? Or how about not having a weekend anymore?? Or screw it who needs overtime........ Hell we all should just move to Mexico oh never mind with people like you we are heading that way in the good ol U.S.A

[FreightTrain]

This doesn't concern you, so why are you worried about it? And what right does an outside party have to come in and tell an owner how to run their business? They should shut down every plant a union gets in and reopen it under a new name.

Unions are past their point of necessity. Now they're in it for more money and their very existence.

Yea because history never repeats itself.

[Forever_frost]

LOL I might only have a 10th grade education as Al, would like to think, but I still remember the first thing I learned in Kindergarten. "If something doesn't concern you don't worry about it." Which is more than I can say for most people in this thread. Oh no the big bad unions are coming to town run for hills. Talk about some chicken little shit going on in here.

As far as all those innnocent people at the Hyundai plant they will each have a vote on the union. If the majority votes it down case closed no union. It doens't affect you so why worry about it.

This doesn't concern you, so why are you worried about it? And what right does an outside party have to come in and tell an owner how to run their business? They should shut down every plant a union gets in and reopen it under a new name.

Unions are past their point of necessity. Now they're in it for more money and their very existence.

[FreightTrain]

So you heard some stories from friends? Cool story I guess.

I worked in three union shops under two different unions, Teamsters and UAW and I now work in a white collar environment and have been doing so for 15 years.

But I guess your story from your sister's brother's cousin's housekeeper who saw Ferris pass out at 31 flavors last night makes more sense.

Just like your point of view from 15 years ago. Like nothing has changed since then.


One time at band camp....

[FreightTrain]

I read the whole story (thank you) and you grossly simplified the issue. Did you read it?

The LAST thing that the unions want is for Boeing to open up a plant in a right to work state. That's why this is an issue.



They still fire people. There is just more paperwork to do and more approvals to get first.

Oh, and as far as squeezing a few more bucks out of hyundai? Sure, if they unionized that might happen. But Hyundai would likely respond with job cuts and the whole thing would go downhill. People were not dragged into the Hyundai plant and forced to work at gunpoint; those people are HAPPY to have a nice paying job, and they are not about to upset the apple cart.

LOL I might only have a 10th grade education as Al, would like to think, but I still remember the first thing I learned in Kindergarten. "If something doesn't concern you don't worry about it." Which is more than I can say for most people in this thread. Oh no the big bad unions are coming to town run for hills. Talk about some chicken little shit going on in here.

As far as all those innnocent people at the Hyundai plant they will each have a vote on the union. If the majority votes it down case closed no union. It doens't affect you so why worry about it.

[mikeb]

Boeing broke the law plan and simple and I'm pretty suprised they were either dumb enough to do it or they thought they had bought off enough politicans to get away with it. All the union did was point out that Boeing broke the law and somehow it gets turned into how the union is the one to blame. Of course that's what happens when you only read the headlines and not the whole story.

I read the whole story (thank you) and you grossly simplified the issue. Did you read it?

The LAST thing that the unions want is for Boeing to open up a plant in a right to work state. That's why this is an issue.

That might work in a very small company were everyone is under a microscope, but go work for a larger company and see what happens.

They still fire people. There is just more paperwork to do and more approvals to get first.

Oh, and as far as squeezing a few more bucks out of hyundai? Sure, if they unionized that might happen. But Hyundai would likely respond with job cuts and the whole thing would go downhill. People were not dragged into the Hyundai plant and forced to work at gunpoint; those people are HAPPY to have a nice paying job, and they are not about to upset the apple cart.

[Broncojohnny]

And then what go hire another illegal off the street? I'm a union welder/pipe fitter and if you don't carry your weight on our jobs you get run off like anywhere else. A lot of people think just because your union you can't get fired or laid off and thats so untrue.

It is true in the UAW. I saw a girl hit our supervisor with a piece of a bumper on purpose and she wasn't fired. She was back at work the next day. There was another guy who drank straight Weller 107 from an Apple juice bottle on the assembly line. Happened all the time, no one said a thing. Another guy was asked if he wanted to work overtime, he looked the supervisor in the face and screamed "FUCK YOU!" while flipping him off. Then there was "One day Ray" who would come in about every fourth month for a few hours and get hurt and go out on disability. Yet another guy I called "fox turd" because he used to go hunting and smeared fox turds all over himself to mask his scent would come by my job on the line and turn up a 750 ml of Everclear right in front of everyone. None of these people were fired, none of them were even written up that I know of. If they were ever taken to labor relations, their union rep was in there making sure nothing happened.

The bottom line is you guys can say whatever you want and blow smoke up people's asses about the union environment. You aren't going to piss down my back and tell me its raining though, I was there, I saw it with my own eyes for years. Granted, a skilled trades environment can be different but it isn't that much different, the people who work still carry the lazy asses every day.

[Broncojohnny]

That might work in a very small company were everyone is under a microscope, but go work for a larger company and see what happens. Corporate America is full of lazy asses and some of the stories I've heard from friends wouldn't even fly at my job. On the railroad if you don't do whats expected of you the company just charges you with being insubordinate and your ass is fired. Nothing the union can do.

So you heard some stories from friends? Cool story I guess.

I worked in three union shops under two different unions, Teamsters and UAW and I now work in a white collar environment and have been doing so for 15 years.

But I guess your story from your sister's brother's cousin's housekeeper who saw Ferris pass out at 31 flavors last night makes more sense.

[FreightTrain]

Where I work, after a quarter of "poor performance", they put you on probation for 30 days with very specific, measurable performance goals. If you don't hit the goal (or better), you're out the door.

Oh, the company did $5.1 billion last year (2010).

Thanks for making my point. You can be a complete drain for 4 months before you are fired, but be honest. You have to be a complete fuck up and piss alot of folks off before they deem you "poor performance" for a quarter. In other words someone can squeek by doing substandard work for a long time without ever making the radar and being hit with "poor performance."