Well that worked out well...

[Broncojohnny]

The numbers will be all over the place because the liberals don't mind telling bullshit stories to try to get their way. They've been doing it for decades.

[46Tbird]

Welfare should only pay for up to two children.

I understand it would hurt some families, but frankly, that's not a problem I created, and not one I should have to pay for.

You can believe what you want. Those are the figures provided. It is assistance.

Of course the numbers are going to be all over the map based on whatever metrics the person wants to use to support their story. But c'mon... you don't really believe the average monthly payout is $134, right?

According to "Poverty Institute, "An Uneven Path - State Investments in Women's Economic Self Sufficiency" - per person cost of cash only" the average annual welfare benefit is $6018. That works out to $501/mo. And that's just the cash payout, not for debit cards, food stamps, etc.

http://www.goodwillri.org/images/Newsletter_August_2010.pdf

[onemeangixxer7502]

welfare shouldnt exist. I'm all for supporting the disabled but beyond that no kind of benefits should exist other than for the military. They deserve it and they're such a tiny minority of the total population that no one would even notice the difference if that was all we paid for.

To me it should go like this:

"Are you disabled? Can you possibly work? Oh you had too many kids? Well that sounds like your own doing, and we're not responsible. Guess you better get two jobs then huh?"

x2, im with ya there. I think these fuckers with 6 kids should be cut off. If you can't afford them don't have them. Or regulate who can have kids. Fix the ones who can't afford it. Extending unemployment and welfare for lots just enables all the lazy fucks. More and more our society is being forced to pick up the tabs for worthless pieces of shit who don't deserve the air they breath. I also have no sympathy for the bleeding heart I have children things. Being dependent on someone in the first place is what landed people in that position. MY mother had me and my brother and was single, while my dad was a part of my life he kicked back no real child support to my mother. She busted her ass and paid the bills and I never went with out.

[ALLAN]

2.5% fail the test
2% don't show up for the test
applications are down 15%

[GSRGuy94]

Yeah... a whole 2%

[SMEGMA STENCH]

I see this getting real expensive, real quick.

Then you don't see very clearly. You actually think that every person who is doing drugs is going to go try to pass? That isn't the thought process here. The thought process is that those low life scum won't even try. I've seen that many times. Most people won't try if they've been doing drugs. Especially not after they've failed once.

[Slammy]

I have a hard time believing the failure rate isnt MUCH higher in certain areas

[GSRGuy94]

This is the most ridiculous part of the entire story. Give me a break. Even a crackhead can't live on $134/mo.



If all they're getting is an AVERAGE of $134, then who is getting less? No one is getting less than that, it's not even worth the drive to cash the check for that little. That figure is obviously bullshit...

You can believe what you want. Those are the figures provided. It is assistance.

My mother and I were on some sorts of public assistance after her and my father split. I'm not entirely sure what as I was young, but I know we had assistance for food and received gov't cheese.

She was 24 with a toddler, broke down car (one of those old GM "diesel" conversion Oldsmobiles), part-time job, and over 1000 miles from her family/hometown.

I had to live with my paternal grand parents for about 6 mos. while she got on her feet.

At first we had a 1 bedroom apartment with no living or dining furniture and no tv.

She was able to get a real job and before too long we had a 2 bedroom, she had a car, we had a couch, AND A TV! (she won off a radio contest, lol) Boom, fast forward a few decades and now we're both kick-ass, bada bing!

Sometimes really bad things happen to people, much worse than what we faced, and I don't think children should have to be marginalized for that in this society. However, I don't think people of able body & mind should be on perma-welfare.

Agreed

[Hobie]

welfare shouldnt exist. I'm all for supporting the disabled but beyond that no kind of benefits should exist other than for the military. They deserve it and they're such a tiny minority of the total population that no one would even notice the difference if that was all we paid for.

To me it should go like this:

"Are you disabled? Can you possibly work? Oh you had too many kids? Well that sounds like your own doing, and we're not responsible. Guess you better get two jobs then huh?"

My mother and I were on some sorts of public assistance after her and my father split. I'm not entirely sure what as I was young, but I know we had assistance for food and received gov't cheese.

She was 24 with a toddler, broke down car (one of those old GM "diesel" conversion Oldsmobiles), part-time job, and over 1000 miles from her family/hometown.

I had to live with my paternal grand parents for about 6 mos. while she got on her feet.

At first we had a 1 bedroom apartment with no living or dining furniture and no tv.

She was able to get a real job and before too long we had a 2 bedroom, she had a car, we had a couch, AND A TV! (she won off a radio contest, lol) Boom, fast forward a few decades and now we're both kick-ass, bada bing!

Sometimes really bad things happen to people, much worse than what we faced, and I don't think children should have to be marginalized for that in this society. However, I don't think people of able body & mind should be on perma-welfare.

[SMEGMA STENCH]

welfare shouldnt exist. I'm all for supporting the disabled but beyond that no kind of benefits should exist other than for the military. They deserve it and they're such a tiny minority of the total population that no one would even notice the difference if that was all we paid for.

To me it should go like this:

"Are you disabled? Can you possibly work? Oh you had too many kids? Well that sounds like your own doing, and we're not responsible. Guess you better get two jobs then huh?"

[Forever_frost]

If you fail the drug test you should be barred for life. Not for a year, life.

[Broncojohnny]

This is the most ridiculous part of the entire story. Give me a break. Even a crackhead can't live on $134/mo.



If all they're getting is an AVERAGE of $134, then who is getting less? No one is getting less than that, it's not even worth the drive to cash the check for that little. That figure is obviously bullshit...

Because they probably aren't including federal dollars in that amount, just state dollars. But they are sure including them in the $175 million.

[CJ]

What this article fails to mention is these figures are compounding. The savings are permanent reductions. There is without question a savings here. Regardless of the bad explanation they provide. Generally, the more people that are bumped off welfare, the better it benefits the economy. Not just from a expense perspective, but a large portion (or even a small percentage, depending on what you believe) would get into the workforce. Welfare and unemployment hurt our economy tremendously. Pulling from another article on the same press release, keep in mind this is only for new applicants - NOT existing recipients. In my opinion it should be mandated to all recipients - and the costs deducted from their checks.

[46Tbird]

This is the most ridiculous part of the entire story. Give me a break. Even a crackhead can't live on $134/mo.

On average, a welfare recipient costs the state $134 in monthly benefits...

If all they're getting is an AVERAGE of $134, then who is getting less? No one is getting less than that, it's not even worth the drive to cash the check for that little. That figure is obviously bullshit...

[Gargamel]

They are tested before they qualify, if they fail, they get no check. Now tell me, how the people that fail are going to have the amount for the test removed from a check that they never get?

Stevo

What I'm saying is, if they fail, they will not get benefits... so the state gets stuck with 30 dollars on the 2% instead of the hundreds\thousands they would have had to dole out (for the 2%) if they would have been approved...

Those that pass would get the cost deducted from their check...

Either I'm missing something here or I shouldn't try to look at this crap while working... LOL