If you shoot an attacker, aren't you presuming guilt?

[bcoop]

Well, I guess that will depend on your interpretation of the law then. Just as judges often "interpret" the law. It says "defensible". You see "Yeah only if some lawyer doesn't try to send me to prison". I see "If some mother fucker comes up in my house and tries to steal shit when I'm home, he's a dead man"

Good luck with that. If you ever do shoot someone, this post can be found, subpoenaed, and any good DA will nail your ass to the wall for premeditated murder.

[Bassics]

Also I'm much too lazy to sit here and like scan in those images and highlight it and upload it and post it here.

There are little buttons with numbers on them right above the keyboard letters you are currently using. I assumed someone with your grand intelligence could accomplish that, and in a few keystrokes prove your intellectual superiority.

I admit i failed at trying to help you make me look stupid. I only succeeded in making you look more stupid. Damn you for that, i really tried!

[SMEGMA STENCH]

Well, I guess that will depend on your interpretation of the law then. Just as judges often "interpret" the law. It says "defensible". You see "Yeah only if some lawyer doesn't try to send me to prison". I see "If some mother fucker comes up in my house and tries to steal shit when I'm home, he's a dead man"

[bcoop]

You probably had it change to suit your Dungeons and Dragons playing lifestyle.

Coming from the virgin loser that couldn't figure out how to run Dungeons and Dragons on Linux. Ironic, isn't it? I think I get it. The insults you pathetically attempt to throw out, are admissions of your own pathetic life. I mean, because if it makes you feel like the loser you are, surely it will make someone else feel bad.

What's wrong, Justin? The supervirgin boards, err PickupArtist boards slow today? Did you ever get that D&D problem worked out? You were one confused pencil dick over that issue. The kind people there pointed it out in black and fucking white, and you still didn't understand. Much like you don't understand the laws surrounding murder.

Only in your mind eric, only in your mind. Wait that doesn't really work cause Justin isn't my real name. Is talisman your real name? Wait it probably is. You probably had it changed to suit your Dungeons and Dragons playing lifestyle. According to everyone else around here though, eric is your real name. Hey did you ever marry that girl that came to see you when you were in the hospital, and then you came and cried that she wouldn't leave and let you get some rest?

Yeah guy like you should probly jump on that.

You're the dumbfuck that's registered on another site talking about D&D. We've already seent the link.

[Bassics]

Wait it probably is. You probably had it change to suit your Dungeons and Dragons playing lifestyle.

Maybe, but one thing is for sure, he knows the proper syntax for a filepath in Linux...

[BERNIE MOSFET]

That law is in direct contradiction with others that I'm sure you're aware of. For example, if a woman is being raped, she is not necessarily going to suffer bodily harm. Yeah usually that's the way it goes, but under the right circumstances it could easily go down with her only get psychological trauma out of it. Yet the official CHL handbook, issued by the state of Texas, (distributed for free at the DPS) says its a killable offence. It obviously doesn't say "killable offence" but it makes it clear in no uncertain terms that when you draw, you draw to kill or you don't draw at all. So that pretty much establishes that.

Yeah, this.

I'm very well aware of what it says. If you'll note, pages 57-64 come from Chapter 9: Justifications Excluding Criminal Responsibility - the same statutes I linked in my previous post. The only part in the handbook that discusses defense of a third person is on page 61, Section 9.33, which falls under the defense to prosecution. It doesn't say it is legal, just defensible. There is no contradiction unless you don't understand how this works. It appears you do not.

Let me see, you want me to look up a law that doesn't exist to prove that i am wrong in saying no such law exists...

lawlz

[SMEGMA STENCH]

It really hasn't ever been a question, Justin.

Only in your mind eric, only in your mind. Wait that doesn't really work cause Justin isn't my real name. Is talisman your real name? Wait it probably is. You probably had it changed to suit your Dungeons and Dragons playing lifestyle. According to everyone else around here though, eric is your real name. Hey did you ever marry that girl that came to see you when you were in the hospital, and then you came and cried that she wouldn't leave and let you get some rest?

Yeah guy like you should probly jump on that.

man the schizophrenic are out in force.

Let me see, you want me to look up a law that doesn't exist to prove that i am wrong in saying no such law exists...

if it is plain and right there beside you, then simply quote it. Just the reference number in the penal code is plenty. Show us. Put down the 40 and the child porn and back up your insane ranting for a change.

For the third and final time, I'm not going to educate you. That's up to you. Also I'm much too lazy to sit here and like scan in those images and highlight it and upload it and post it here. I'm not going to do it so you may as well quit asking. Now you'll tell me that its probably available online on the DPS. gpv website or something, to which I'll say again: If it is you can just as easily do it yourself. So do it yourself.

[bcoop]

I'm talking out of my ass, and don't have any law to prove my stance. So I'm going to tell you to do it yourself.

Fixed for the Fucking Moron. A goddamned POLICE OFFICER posted RIGHT FUCKING ABOVE YOU, that it IS the law, and self defense is exactly that. A defense to prosecution. What is so hard to understand? You better have proof, or your word and internet "legends" mean jack shit. Everyone else here has proven what they've said with facts. You don't get a pass, you can do the same or concede that you are wrong.


Someone attempts to steal your car. You shoot him. The DA may charge you with murder. They also may have ample evidence to not even bother with it. But the fact remains, they CAN charge you with murder. The burden of proof lies with the one using justifiable force. You have to prove you were in fear of your life, or that he was stealing your car. If you can't prove that, bam. You get charged with murder. Jesus Christ.

And for the record -- the verbage "punishable by death", in no way shape or form means YOU are the one to administer the killing. Perhaps that's why you're fucking confused. But I'm betting on you just not having a living brain cell in that empty head of yours.

[Bassics]

man the schizophrenic are out in force.

Let me see, you want me to look up a law that doesn't exist to prove that i am wrong in saying no such law exists...

if it is plain and right there beside you, then simply quote it. Just the reference number in the penal code is plenty. Show us. Put down the 40 and the child porn and back up your insane ranting for a change.

[SMEGMA STENCH]

damn you are stupid.

Read the fucking law yourself.

Or better yet, please demonstrate use of the term "killable offense" in the Texas penal code. That law you were going to cite, please do so.

Quit being lazy and do your own research. Or better yet, read the post of the person you're talking to. I clearly stated that it never says "killable offense" and that I was just using that as interpretation given their established rules on firing or not drawing at all. I know your little pussy ass it too afraid to own a gun but I'll tell you that you damn sure don't ever point it at anyone you don't intend to kill. So as I said, you can pick up an official state of texas CHL handbook at any DPS location. The laws that you want cited are cited plenty of times in there. I've got one on the shelf right next to me, its printed in plain english and is quite easy to read. Go for it.

[Bassics]

damn you are stupid.

Read the fucking law yourself.

Or better yet, please demonstrate use of the term "killable offense" in the Texas penal code. That law you were going to cite, please do so.

If I'm stupid,

It really hasn't ever been a question, Justin.

[SMEGMA STENCH]

You are wrong.

My CHL instructor was wrong too; his and others' cavalier attitudes about shooting people is going to land someone in a lot of hot water someday, if not already.

You are absolutely not permitted to shoot anyone for any reason; it sounds counter-intuitive to everything we think we know about using deadly force, but the law stands as it was written. Sec 22.01 clearly states that it is an offense to intentionally or knowingly cause bodily injury to another. There's no room for discussion here, it is illegal. (I'm not getting into 22.02 and semantics about whether 22.01 applies to firearms. 22.02 requires 22.01).

That law is in direct contradiction with others that I'm sure you're aware of. For example, if a woman is being raped, she is not necessarily going to suffer bodily harm. Yeah usually that's the way it goes, but under the right circumstances it could easily go down with her only get psychological trauma out of it. Yet the official CHL handbook, issued by the state of Texas, (distributed for free at the DPS) says its a killable offence. It obviously doesn't say "killable offence" but it makes it clear in no uncertain terms that when you draw, you draw to kill or you don't draw at all. So that pretty much establishes that.

It is hopeless to try and explain it to these people. The best that can happen is they get their chance to argue their internet point in court, when they will find out how a prosecution and defense really works...

Check the law, jackass. I'll wait. Actually while I wait I'll cite one just right off the top of my head... in the early 2000's a couple beaners in my town thought they were going to steal some old man's paid for car, right out of his driveway. It cost both of them their lives, (and rightly so) and nothing ever came of it for him. He used to go to church with my grandparents but now he is in the nursing home. He might be dead now I have no idea.

So while I won't argue with you that some shitbag prosecuter might try to send someone to jail for legally defending their civil rights according to laws on the books, you're technically protected by law under the right circumstances. For instance, look up theft of livestock. Not only will they hang your ass with a felony for doing it, its also a killable offense. I don't care how old the law is, its still on the books. I don't recognize laws that aren't on the books, and I do recognize any laws that are. If they don't want them there then they should try and make the political move that it takes to get them removed. I won't accept this "Well, yeah, but it just isn't right" bullshit.