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[CJ]

But it can swing the other way quite violently. I think the biggest difference between the youths that Paul attracts and the youths that Obama and the left have tended to attract is that Paul's supporters are far more politically active and savvy than the left's.

I would agree they are more savvy than the left for sure. I'm simply saying the youth vote is the most volatile, and has the least turnout historically than any other segment of voters.

[mstng86]

That's quite a wide blanket to cast over an entire demographic while completely wiping clean the slate of another.

Who is wiping clean the slate of the old guard?

I am just saying if America's youth is leaning toward a "do it all government", then we are all fucked if they do go out and vote.

You are right about Paul's youth though.

[mikec]

I am giving an example of what can happen when you are heavily vested in the youth vote. Remember the democrat's attempt with "Get out the vote" and P Diddy's "Vote or Die" etc.. etc.. BS. They never showed up to the polls.

2008 they were not heavily vested in the youth vote, nor did they need to be.

You present yourself as a student of history, so, read this?

http://thetartan.org/2008/11/10/news/elections

It throws out historical numbers on how obsama DID win the youth vote. Second highest number of youth votes ever counted, actually. Per the article the highest number ever counted was in '72, which was the first year that an 18 year old could vote. I wonder, had they had been able to vote in, say, '68, would that still hold true or would the highest ever number be in '68?

[CJ]

If I understand history correctly, obsama was voted in by the youth vote. That is, at least, how the media has portrayed it. You, as a student of history, understand that point well. No? Is it not possible that the youth vote swings two successive votes?

I'm sure the youth vote was higher for Obama than what is usual, however what I'm saying is the projected numbers and the actual votes are going to be substantially less. One of the primary reasons Obama was elected was the black vote. 96% of African Americans vote for democrats, and something like 40-50% turned out for the general election, which makes up about 18% of the population. That's enough to get anyone elected.

[CJ]

You present yourself as a student of history, so, read this?

http://thetartan.org/2008/11/10/news/elections

It throws out historical numbers on how obsama DID win the youth vote. Second highest number of youth votes ever counted, actually. Per the article the highest number ever counted was in '72, which was the first year that an 18 year old could vote. I wonder, had they had been able to vote in, say, '68, would that still hold true or would the highest ever number be in '68?

You're arguing a point I'm not even discussing. I'm saying the turnout is substantially less, not their possible benefit.

[Slowhand]

Who is wiping clean the slate of the old guard?

I am just saying if America's youth is leaning toward a "do it all government", then we are all fucked if they do go out and vote.

You are right about Paul's youth though.

Your statement quite literally said that all young people are socialistic and that the older citizens are absolved of all responsibility for such movements.

Ron Paul has the youth vote. Ron Paul is the the most small-government focused candidate in the race. Ergo, there's a giant contradiction with your statement.

[mstng86]

Your statement quite literally said that all young people are socialistic and that the older citizens are absolved of all responsibility for such movements.

Ron Paul has the youth vote. Ron Paul is the the most small-government focused candidate in the race. Ergo, there's a giant contradiction with your statement.

I was referring to you being right about the saviness of the Ron Paul youth, not what they stand for.

No where did I absolve the older citizens of any of their actions. I only stated there is obviously a movement of socialism of some sort in our youth. At least that is what the media wants us to see.

[46Tbird]

Obama/Biden won because a completely unelectable McCain/Palin ran against them.

Sadly, the Republicans still have not learned their lesson. I don't think it's going to be difficult to paint Ron Paul and Mitt Romney as wackos, Newt Gingrich as just another bitter old white asshole, and Rick Perry as a complete moron. If we're being honest with ourselves, we all know the rest of the candidates don't even matter.

I can't stand Obama, but I don't see any of the Republicans beating him.

[CJ]

Obama/Biden won because a completely unelectable McCain/Palin ran against them.

Sadly, the Republicans still have not learned their lesson. I don't think it's going to be difficult to paint Ron Paul and Mitt Romney as wackos, Newt Gingrich as just another bitter old white asshole, and Rick Perry as a complete moron. If we're being honest with ourselves, we all know the rest of the candidates don't even matter.

I can't stand Obama, but I don't see any of the Republicans beating him.

Obama has to convince the public to completely ignore everything he has done in office. All of the economic figures, all of the legislation, everything. That's going to be pretty damn hard. I highly doubt he will be re-elected. You have the left, very disappointed in what he has accomplished, or more so what he hasn't accomplished. And you have the right, which is invigorated like never before to get him out of there.

[46Tbird]

Sounds good on paper. Don't forget that 18% you mentioned a few posts above.

[mikec]

Obama has to convince the public to completely ignore everything he has done in office. All of the economic figures, all of the legislation, everything. That's going to be pretty damn hard. I highly doubt he will be re-elected. You have the left, very disappointed in what he has accomplished, or more so what he hasn't accomplished. And you have the right, which is invigorated like never before to get him out of there.

I pray that he is unable to accomplish that!

And I see what you are saying on the vote now. It was purely racist. Sad, but true.


And good point on the 18% Danny. I do hope that you are incorrect on your muse...

[CJ]

Sounds good on paper. Don't forget that 18% you mentioned a few posts above.

I think it will be substantially reduced as all the magic has left him, and a lot of the community doesn't (yet) have the ambition to defend his presidency. The Black vote is also historically low turnout. I predict massive voter fraud but it still won't even matter.

[Vertnut]

If I understand history correctly, obsama was voted in by the youth vote. That is, at least, how the media has portrayed it. You, as a student of history, understand that point well. No? Is it not possible that the youth vote swings two successive votes?

Obama bombarded colleges and universities. The youth vote helped him get in. He was "cool and hip" and the college kids fell for it. No sin in that, as I was silly once, too. They are saying the campuses are not nearly as fired up, and some of his "mandates" have hurt students (i.e. the whole student loan thing).

[Vertnut]

Obama/Biden won because a completely unelectable McCain/Palin ran against them.

Sadly, the Republicans still have not learned their lesson. I don't think it's going to be difficult to paint Ron Paul and Mitt Romney as wackos, Newt Gingrich as just another bitter old white asshole, and Rick Perry as a complete moron. If we're being honest with ourselves, we all know the rest of the candidates don't even matter.

I can't stand Obama, but I don't see any of the Republicans beating him.

Oh, ye of little faith...

I think his presidency has been such a debacle, that most of the candidates running can pull it off.

[mikec]

Obama bombarded colleges and universities. The youth vote helped him get in. He was "cool and hip" and the college kids fell for it. No sin in that, as I was silly once, too. They are saying the campuses are not nearly as fired up, and some of his "mandates" have hurt students (i.e. the whole student loan thing).

I'm hoping that there is some residual excitement remaining amongst those college kids, though it is a new crop this go round. Sure hope a large number realize how badly they fucked it up the first time around and try to make amends on this one...