Obama Administration Kills Pipeline

[FreightTrain]

I guess this guy is just another idiot who doesn't know what he is talking about. I wonder why he isn't gung ho about UP hauling all that oil down from up north? Doesn't he have 30,000 cars and 1,000 locomotives sitting around doing nothing?

http://www.cnbc.com/id/46058228

Pipeline's End Puts US at Disadvantage: Union Pacific CEO
Published: Thursday, 19 Jan 2012 | 2:26 PM ET
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By: Margo D. Beller
Special to CNBC.com

The end of the Keystone Pipeline project puts the U.S. at a competitive disadvantage and was a personal disappointment to the chief executive of railroad Union Pacific.

"My concern is ultimately what does it do for competitiveness in America," Chief Executive Jim Young told CNBC Thursday a day after the Obama administration killed the TransCanada [TRP 41.23 -0.18 (-0.43%) ] pipeline, which would've carried oil from western Canada to Houston.

The UP [UNP 112.18 2.36 (+2.15%) ] executive added, "I have to think about my customers and their ability to compete, and obviously energy costs are a huge piece of that."

"For me, the more competitive they can be, the more business I'll haul," he said. "There's another side of this: We're the largest consumer of diesel fuel in the United States" at about 1.2 billion gallons a year, and keeping energy costs "reasonable" benefits the railroad, too.

Never once did he say they couldn't handle the load. He also said everything I told you yesterday. How they run sand trains, pipe trains, and oil trains and will continue to run even more in the future. But you claimed yesterday they weren't using that option.

[Broncojohnny]

Never once did he say they couldn't handle the load. He also said everything I told you yesterday. How they run sand trains, pipe trains, and oil trains and will continue to run even more in the future. But you claimed yesterday they weren't using that option.

That's right, that $10 a barrel price difference is just in everyone's imagination. The railroad system can move every bit of oil coming out of Canada, they just aren't right now because they don't like money.

[Forever_frost]

Never once did he say they couldn't handle the load. He also said everything I told you yesterday. How they run sand trains, pipe trains, and oil trains and will continue to run even more in the future. But you claimed yesterday they weren't using that option.

Basically he said without the pipeline we can't compete. Which means trains can't compete with a pipeline. Thus, FT, not doing very well on this discussion are you?

[stevo]

We aren't allowed to strike.

Really?

http://www.dfwmustangs.net/forums/showthread.php?t=21626

Those damn politicans take all the fun out of everything. We were set to strike on Dec 7. This is after the first strike was pushed back from Oct 7 because the railroads went running to Capital Hill to get an injunction against us. Then our contract dispute went to labor relations and they put their 2 cents in on the matter. 30 days of cooling off later and we still couldn't come to an agreement, but low and behold in the 11th hour the union and the Railroads decide it's best to work it out before Congress decides to muddy the waters and those idiots get involved. With the Railroad Labor Act Congress has the right to set our contract if we can't agree on anything to prevent a strike. Neither the union nor the Railroads wanted to open that can of worms and roll the dice on what they wanted to give us.

So I guess it will be 3 years until we get our next chance at a strike. Now just have to wait and see the details of the contract. Rumor is it comes with a signing bonus and over a 20%+ raise. With no work rule changes and minor changes to health care I guess I can live with it. Labor Relations claims we will be making 30k a year more in 3 years than we make today so I'm good with that.

Stevo

[Vertnut]

Really?

http://www.dfwmustangs.net/forums/showthread.php?t=21626

Stevo

Damn. I get tired of being right...

[Forever_frost]

Really?

http://www.dfwmustangs.net/forums/showthread.php?t=21626

Stevo

I have to hear him explain this. So either they can strike and he is lying now, or they can't strike and he was lying then.

[FreightTrain]

I have to hear him explain this. So either they can strike and he is lying now, or they can't strike and he was lying then.

LMAO I posted that thread being sarcastic for people just like you. I love how you get all riled up. It makes my day when you go into a blind rage. Since you know everything about unions you should know the railroads are vital to the national security and economy of this country. We can threaten a strike and they go running to Capital Hill and have an injunction signed saying the strike is against the law and everyone goes to jail.


So yeah just like I said. We can't strike. Google it. Last time we threatened strike they had 3 lawmakers and Federal judges on call to sign the injunction.

[FreightTrain]

Really?

http://www.dfwmustangs.net/forums/showthread.php?t=21626

Stevo

Did you even read the thread. LOL it's an entire thread about how the railroad industry can't strike because of all the hoops we have to jump through.

[stevo]

I have to hear him explain this. So either they can strike and he is lying now, or they can't strike and he was lying then.

LMAO I posted that thread being sarcastic for people just like you.

He lied. He is full of shit on so many things he posts on here.

Did you even read the thread. LOL it's an entire thread about how the railroad industry can't strike because of all the hoops we have to jump through.

So wait, either you can't strike, or you can after said hoops have been jumped through, make up your mind. Better yet, just lie your way out of it.

Stevo

[FreightTrain]

He lied. He is full of shit on so many things he posts on here.



So wait, either you can't strike, or you can after said hoops have been jumped through, make up your mind. Better yet, just lie your way out of it.

Stevo

Go read the Railway Labor Act and everything I've said or posted goes along with that. You and Frost are the dumbass' that don't know what you are talking about.

[stevo]

Go read the Railway Labor Act and everything I've said or posted goes along with that. You and Frost are the dumbass' that don't know what you are talking about.

So, what does that act have to do with you lying in this forum again? Does it mention crawfish?

Stevo

[FreightTrain]

Basically he said without the pipeline we can't compete. Which means trains can't compete with a pipeline. Thus, FT, not doing very well on this discussion are you?

Are you that blind with rage or just dense lol. I love how you fill in the blanks of what he basicly said as you put it. Every CEO is like a politican. You think he's going to come out and say I'm so happy this deal is dead because we are going to make a shit load of money off it.

He said, "The end of the Keystone Pipeline project puts the U.S. at a competitive disadvantage and My concern is ultimately what does it do for competitiveness in America

[FreightTrain]

So, what does that act have to do with you lying in this forum again? Does it mention crawfish?

Stevo

Why don't you go read it since you called me the liar. This Forum is full of people that can't argue shit. Their only argument is oh you're a union worker. You didn't even read that thread you linked. You just read the title which was being sarcasitic on my part because in that thread I explained why we couldn't strike and why the government won't let us strike. I also talked about the Railway Labor act in the first post of that thread. So who's crawfishing?

[GrayStangGT]

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-19/canada-pledges-to-sell-oil-to-asia-after-obama-rejects-keystone-pipeline.html

[FreightTrain]

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0...-pipeline.html

And the media is going to take that and run with it. Here is a new's flash. China was going to buy that amount of oil regardless of a pipeline.